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    Imagine, if you will, being able to travel from you cabin or campsite, along a County road to get to the designated trail system or from one trail to the other that are not currently interconnected, with your unlicensed (non street licensed) ORV, not to mention the future ability to access communities for fuel and food and mayhaps drive from a local motel to the trail system. Currently every Upper Peninsula County, with the exception of Mackinaw Co. (being worked on currently) has opened either all or part of or selected county roads to such travel. This along with the Forest roads being open ther has created a vast ORV transportation system. And it is working. Long range plans call for a continuation of this endeavor to include all Lower Peninsula Counties that currently have ORV trails. It is a monumental project and will need to be done one county at a time. This will be one more step in the process to reopen the forest roads to no street licensed travel.

    Read on.

    Ogemaw county is on the verge of approving an ordinance that will
    allow ORV use on county roads. We need people at this meeting to
    support the ordinance by at least 2 to 1 because of what happened in
    Oscoda County when they recently had a public meeting regarding this
    same issue (some local opposition).
    Please make an effort to attend this meeting and be prepared to make
    a brief statement because they keep track of positive and negative
    comments from the audience. Presenting something as simple as "I
    support this ordinance" will suffice. If you want to elaborate,
    that's great.

    The Cycle Conservation Club of Michigan supports this ordinance and
    looks forward to other counties implementing similar legislation to
    better our sport. Ogemaw county, if this passes, will join
    Montmorency, Presque Isle and Cheboygan counties who have similar
    laws already in effect. Dr Kendall Paulson from Rose City has formed the
    Ogemaw County ORV Economic Development Committee to drive this
    ordinance and Ron Sape, one of our members from Rose City has acted
    as our laision during the meetings to date. This ordinance has County and
    police support now we need to add the ORV community support.

    The meeting is at the West Branch courthouse September 22nd at 6:30
    p.m. It is a big grey building on the corner of M-55 and M-30
    officially called the Ogemaw County Building. From the south take
    exit 212 off I-75, turn right go approximately 3 miles through town,
    the building is on the left. The meeting is in the commissioners
    chambers on the 1st floor.

    If you can't make the meeting, you can email the county clerk with
    your supportive comments for the ordinance. Send emails to (subject: ORV ordinance)

    Here's a copy of the ordinance as it currently stands:

    State of Michigan - County of Ogemaw
    ORV Ordinance

    An ordinance for the regulation of operation of ORV's in Ogemaw
    County on roadways.

    Sec. 1. As used in this ordinance, the following definitions shall apply:

    a) "Public Road" means that portion of a county road that is
    improved, maintained and used by the public for vehicular travel,
    including any improved shoulders.
    "Operate" means to rid in or on, and be in actual physical
    control of the operation of an ORV.
    c) An ORV is defined as a motor vehicle with forward movement made
    possible by the use of two, three, four or six wheels with surface
    contact made by rubber tires. The vehicle must have a measurement
    from the ground surface to the base of seat height greater than
    eight-teen inches. On three, four or six wheeled vehicles the wheel
    rim diameter may not exceed thirteen inches.
    d) "Road Surface" means that portion of a roadway improved,
    designated, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel and does not
    include within its meaning the shoulder or right-of way.

    Sec. 2 An ORV may not be operated on the road surface of any
    roadway, with the exception of sections of roadways that do not have
    an adequate shoulder of roadway or bridge crossing allowing the ORV
    to avoid contact with the road surface. In these cases the ORV must
    remain to the far right of the roadway contacting the least amount of
    road surface as possible.

    Sec. 3 An ORV may be operated on the roadway surface of any roadway
    for the purpose of crossing the roadway. The operator must bring the
    ORV to a complete stop and cross at a right angle to the roadway.

    Sec 4 An Orv may not be operated on the road surface, roadway,
    shoulder or right-of-way of highways M-55 or M-33 except:
    a) In a life-threatening emergency.
    For the purpose of getting from one area to another, and operator
    may cross such roadway at right angles. The operator shall bring the
    ORV to a complete stop prior to crossing a roadway and shall yield
    the right-of-way to incoming traffic.

    Sec. 5 An Orv may be operated on the shoulder of the roadway, in the
    direction of traffic in a single file manner, of all public roadways
    in Ogemaw County with the exception of roadways prohibited by sec. 4.

    Sec. 6 An ORV may not be operated on a public roadway at a rate of
    speed higher than a posted or greater that 30 mph.

    Sec. 7 An ORV must yield to all pedestrian and automobile vehicular traffic.

    Sec. 8 An ORV must operate outside and not within the city limits of
    West Branch and Rose City unless designated routes are established by
    a city ordinance.

    Sec. 9 An ORV may not be operated on a public roadway between the
    hours of 11:00 pm and 6:00 am.

    Sec. 10 An ORV wit a width greater than 50 inches, must have a
    orange or red flag on a pole that measures at least six feet height
    and properly secured to the rear left hand side.

    Sec. 11 Any person who violates this ordinance is guilty of a civil
    infraction, punishable by a fine of $60.00 upon the first conviction
    and a $100.00 for any subsequent conviction.

    Sec. 12 Any person convicted of causing destruction to the road
    surface of the roadway or shoulder of the roadway will be held
    responsible for full restitution to repair the roadway to its
    original condition and will be guilty of a misdemeanor with an
    additional fine of $250.00

    More, More, More

    The DNR is updating the ORV Plan and a study of the ORV program is being conducted by Dr Charles Nelson, (University of Michigan) to help determine future needs of the program. One component of the plan update and study is to gather information about the ORV Trail System. Three public meetings have been set to present general information about previous planning efforts and explain the process the Department is using to update the plan. The structure of the meetings will allow for public input into the planning process.


    October 12, 7:00p.m. Holiday Inn South, 6280 South Cedar St, Lansing.
    Meeting info: Contact Kim Korbecki, 517-373-2891,

    October 13, 7:00p.m. Holiday Inn ? Grayling,2650 Business Loop South I-75, Grayling.
    Meeting info: Contact Kim Korbecki, 517-373-2891,

    October 14, 7:00p.m. Ramada Inn, 412 West Washington Street, Marquette.
    Meeting info: Contact Kim Korbecki, 517-373-2891,

    For those who are unable to attend a meeting comments can be sent to:
    Steve Kubisiak at

    Senate Bill 1348

    This bill, introduced by Senator Schauer, and has been referred to the Committee on Economic, Small Business, and Regulatory Reform.

    The bill, designed to require licensing for motor racing tracks which may be known and or cited as the "motorcycle racing regulation act" was introduced on 9/8/04.

    Our peliminary concerns are that it requires "until rules are promulagated" to define and stabndards for licensing and operation that the standards from the AMA and or another Nationally recoginized organization and that the Director of the Department of Labor and Economic Growth can by rule amend / supplement any such standards. Who knows what we may end up with without the input of race track owners and operators.

    "Person" as defined under the bill means an individual or legal entity. This description may very well lead to regulating private non-commercial riding places such as your back yard or private land holdings.

    Some pretty stiff penalties are proposed up to and including 93 days and $500 or both for operating with out a license.

    We are on this bill and will keep you posted.

    Go to and do a bill search for 1348. Leave off the SB.

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    Senior Member yogi's Avatar
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    laingsburg mi.


    i will be at the lansing one oct.12 see you there


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    I will try to make West Branch and Lansing.
    Thanks to those that do all the hard work.

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    Senior Member
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    west branch Mi


    Ill be at the west branch meeting

    One question Jim , are you saying this didnt get passed in Mio area ? just a couple weeks ago we watched quads come and go right in down town Mio !!!!

    West branch will tend to buck this , st helen roscommon county should be an easy one to get , both st helen and city of roscomon welcome sleds , quads or any thing that brings money in .

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    This ORV ordinance is just for Ogemaw County not Oscoda where Mio is at. The intention (i.e. hope) is that other counties will see this as an economic growth potential by allowing ORV's to travel on forest roads and subsequently the shoulders of county roads and thus bring more tourism. The intent for the public hearing on the Ogemaw ordinace is to get input from the dissenters. It in all probability has support from the County otherwise they would not be persuing the hearings.
    This is also why the SB was refered to committee on economic growth and small business reform. Not that they will have the last say on it, in fact they most likely will not. If would most likely be referred to "Transportatin and Recreation". This first step is a mechanism to get support later. Can you say.....POLITICS!!!
    The quads on the shoulder right now are just plain illegal. It's whether or not the DNR wishes to do anything about them. Again as you found...depends on who you ask will determine if it's legal or not.
    In the quads defense, the snowmobiles are allowed to do that in the winter, the next logical rationale is why not quards and bikes in the summer. Chances are, like the judge in your trial might say...I ride my snowmobile in the winter I see no difference with a bike in the summer!
    Time will tell. We must, like I said before, keep our presence at the forefront. Whether we think it affect us or not.

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    I will be in west branch and Grayling.

    I have a cabin in Wolverine which is in Cheboygan county and has open road shoulder use for ORV's and I can tell you that it is wonderfull being able to drive from our cabin over to the Tomahawk trail without having to load up the truck and trailer.

    Lets show our support for this, if us users stick together and help each other out you will see some good things happen in the future!

    Pat Kinne
    Pres. GLFWDA
    Lifetime member,Past President, Past Memb. Sec.
    Past Corresp. Sec.
    Thank you to our supporters and volunteers!

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    I will be going to West Branch
    Yj, lift, lockers, Swampers, winch, and Cold AC
    Member TriCity Trailriders

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    I just got called out of town this week. Can't make West Branch but will send email.
    Thanks to those that do all the hard work.

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    Senior Member Supporting The Sport!
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    Sanford, Michigan, United States


    One question, what does this have to do with us full size users? I don't mean for that to sound negative....just asking.

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    Senior Member
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    west branch Mi


    Mike it has to do with us in this manner , unity .

    All land user must learn to assist each other , we assits quad and bike riders and make it known as best as we can , in return they should assits us on matters concerning full size matters .

    Secondly any and all support of ORV use of any type shows where the interest is off the people of this state .

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