Great news!
Thanks for the hard work!
Great news!
Thanks for the hard work!
FYI The Jeep Creep was given permission from the DNR for our Guided Trail Ride to operate on the Denton ORV Trails without a permit since we don't charge for that portion of the event. I appreciate all your efforts as it allows us to offer more to the Jeepers who attend Jeep Creep. =) ~Meghan
The final draft has not been published yet and I haven't heard any feedback on the "flow chart" that was sent over. I agree that it is very useful in making the decision tree easier to follow - once it it published I say we push on it again, but to the folks that actually handle the permits day in and day out... The folks that we have been involved with so far really are just working to get the policy better then it was (which is not an easy task when working with all the different departments within the DNR).
Past Land Use Committee Chairman, now serving on the Land Use Committee
Tri-City Trail Riders President since 2010
83' CJ-7, I-6 Propane with HEI, SOA, 4.10's and lockers
Correct - no more permit fees and no bond money, and you guys (for SnoFari) should be getting some/all of your fees back for what was paid in for the 2014 SnoFari year. This is good as well as the base fee prices will be going up now as well for permits.
It is suggested by the DNR that they be notified when larger events that don't require a permit will be held so that they can "manage" the forest. Much of this is to make other groups that might need to have permits aware of whats going on... they can't stop you from going out, but try to prevent lots of congestion. But this is just a suggestion, not a requirement.
Past Land Use Committee Chairman, now serving on the Land Use Committee
Tri-City Trail Riders President since 2010
83' CJ-7, I-6 Propane with HEI, SOA, 4.10's and lockers
I see no need to notify them of anything we are doing. In fact, I think it opens a Pandora's box if we do. I don't really care what other groups are doing in the woods, nor do I want them worrying about me. The prime example is that they tried to tell me I couldn't be on a snowmobile trail/seasonal/forest road because of Tip up town, 20 miles away and there might be drunk riders on the trails. That is not my problem to manage. The further we can stay below the radar, the better.
We are still trying to get all of the funds refunded. They seem to think that since they were overwhelmed at the time they were doing the review that they should be able to keep all the money. I expect this to play out over the next few weeks. I am about ready to hint at legal action.
I can say this; Rob has done an outstanding job of staying on top of this and keeping to the high road. He certainly contains his temper better than me. LOL
Great job Rob!
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Thanks to those that do all the hard work.
Whole heartedly agree. In theory, notifying the DNR and them being able to manage the forest, man that is great. In practice, in reality, in my personal experience:
1. DNR does not know what is going on.
2. DNR does not inform permitted events of other functions (regardless of permit or size).
3. DNR will blame permitted event for activities that are unrelated to that event (from other group or individual).
#3 is where "don't voluntarily tell them" makes the most sense.
And of course, #4: Next year the DNR will block every road used and clear cut any remaining timber in the area in the name of "forest management" simultaneously removing any recreational value from that land.
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