Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: ORV Advisory meeting

  1. #1

    Default

    The ORV Advisory board meeting held this past wed. night was nothing out of the ordinary as far as the main focus was concerned.

    These should be called ATV/ Motorcycle meetings due to that being the topic discussed.

    The only fullsize or "Route" dicussion was about a section of route in the Gladwin system that they are planning to repair using Geo cloth and a block type of filler along with a culvert to fill in a wet area. That is so we do not get our show 4x4's dirty by using one of the routes our ORV stickers pays for.

    The improvements that the DNR has proposed for the Gladwin system (consisting moslty of 50" trail) include fixing areas damaged by high water levels this past spring. Some small decking over wet spots were damaged. There are only a handfull of these items and few places where they want to move some sections of trail. These few items are estimated to cost our ORV fund an enormous sum of $485,000

    I dont know about you all but I would do it with a shovel and a hammer and nails for about half that!

    $485,000 would build a nice ORV park not fix a couple of bad spots in a 50" trail.

    Let us know your opinion on this by responding here.

    Pat Kinne
    Pres. GLFWDA
    1-888-705-8683
    Lifetime member,Past President, Past Memb. Sec.
    Past Corresp. Sec.
    https://www.facebook.com/CreativeFabWorks
    Thank you to our supporters and volunteers!

  2. #2

    Default

    It certainly seems rediculous!
    It amazes me that our state receives over $1.4 million annully from the federal government for ORV improvements and we can't even get a simple rock garden installed at St. Helen!
    KDSRGON GL#2665 KD8EGK
    Thanks to those that do all the hard work.

  3. #3
    GLFWDA Member GLFWDA Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Oak Park, Mi.
    Posts
    154

    Default

    I would still like to know who makes the decisions on the board members and who we have to talk to in order to get full size representation on this board. Just coming in with a few people representing only a couple of hundred others just does not seem to be getting us anywhere.

  4. #4
    Vader5
    Guest

    Question

    Agreed Pete. We do need better fullsize representation. If the trail rules applied to hunters in their trucks during hunting seasons the same way they apply to us with our orv stickers, we'd have a lot better representation. I've got nothing against hunters, but they are given a pretty loose leash with their trucks and orv's during hunting season, and the leash just keeps getting tighter for us full size ORV guys. I know I'm preaching to the chior, but if the hunters had to live by our rules, we'd have their support and they'd be screaming loudly for more access.

  5. #5

    Default

    Paul,
    You are right. I had given a pretty detailed break down on MJ about revenue. It is all about the $$$$.
    Keep this in mind: the hunters add alot of $$ to the state.

    We bring NOTHING!!! I repeat........NOTHING!

    When our state is working with a deficit, aren't we a little overly optimistic to think that they will listen to us when compared to all the user groups that pay extra to use the land?

    I shudder to say this, but if there was a requirement for full size vehicles to pay to use the forest roads, we would suddenly attract more attention at the state level. Especially if the hunters got lumped into our classification. But as long as our liscense plate is the only thing we need, I am afraid that we will never get additional attention.

    Scarey, eh?
    KDSRGON GL#2665 KD8EGK
    Thanks to those that do all the hard work.

  6. #6
    Senior Member Supporting The Sport!
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Sanford, Michigan, United States
    Posts
    1,172

    Default

    I don't even want to get started on how mad this makes me. It makes me think even more about selling my Jeep and getting a boat.

  7. #7

    Default

    I need to clarify one thing about these meetings. My inntial post sounded like the bike and quad guys get all of the attention and that is only partly true. Meaning that if the DNR were to do something we (users in general) wanted them to do it would still be for the quad and bike guys.

    The discussion is usually about the quad and bikes but that isnts to say they are being heard. The advisory board is made up of a mixture of users, enviromental, law enforcement and a member at large.

    Currently there are only 2 users, both AMA members. There is one enviro and he is from MUCC. The law enforcement spot is empty as is the member at large. And there is a gal from the Motorcycle Dealers Assoc.

    Not one of these folks is getting heard either, one of the gentleman from the AMA has to drive from the UP and he is asking himself why he bothers when the DNR does want they want to anyway regardless of the "advice" the advisory board might give them.

    The DNR has taken over the safety training for quads and bikes from the Dept. of Education. Since them taking over this user funded program last year they have not tought one student. But they have a lot of money in the bank to collect interest while the young folks continue to suffer and the instructors from user groups and safety institutes are without kids to instruct. This is why I said that the focus of the last meeting was all about the bikes and quads. The quad and bike guys have beat this issue to death at the last couple of meetings with no results from the DNR.
    Lifetime member,Past President, Past Memb. Sec.
    Past Corresp. Sec.
    https://www.facebook.com/CreativeFabWorks
    Thank you to our supporters and volunteers!

  8. #8
    Vader5
    Guest

    Default

    Thanks for the clarification Pat.

    To reply to White Rhino's post.

    We do pay extra to use the forest roads if we buy ORV stickers and have extra vehicals we pay registration on every year. And I would pay more as long as the trails were marked as well as the snowmobile trails. Out of state snowmobilers only pay for a $20.00 trail permit to ride on our Michigan trails. I'd pay $40.00 a year to be able to ride on half as many trails they have in my Jeep.

  9. #9
    GLFWDA Member GLFWDA Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Inkster, Michigan
    Posts
    436

    Default

    Originally posted by WhiteRhino@Aug 18 2004, 06:37 PM
    We bring NOTHING!!! I repeat........NOTHING!
    I have the same ORV sticker on my Jeep that every ATV and bike has. I paid the same fee. But they get to ride many miles of trails with it, I only get to go to 4 places with mine.

    We gave the same amount to the state,but I get far less for it.

    If that $16 isn't bringing enough to give us what we want raise it. You pay more than that for a single weekend at the badlands. I think Tellico was $5 a day. I would not have any problem with paying $25 or even $50 a year or more if it allowed me to go on some good trails without having to drive hundreds of miles out of state.
    Bruce
    Individual member #6774

  10. #10
    Vader5
    Guest

    Thumbs down

    Can I get an "AMEN!!!!!!!!! " for Brewmenn's last post.

Similar Threads

  1. ORV Advisory Board Meeting
    By Jarhead in forum GLFWDA Events/Meetings
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: August 4th, 2009, 06:50 PM
  2. ORV Advisory Board Meeting - May
    By Jarhead in forum GLFWDA Events/Meetings
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: November 12th, 2007, 06:16 AM
  3. ORV Advisory Board meeting
    By Zookeeper in forum Land Use
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: May 9th, 2006, 09:23 PM
  4. ORV advisory meeting
    By Creative Fab in forum Land Use
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: August 19th, 2005, 07:22 PM
  5. ORV Advisory board meeting
    By Creative Fab in forum Land Use
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: November 12th, 2004, 09:23 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
respective-triangle
respective-triangle
respective-triangle
respective-triangle