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lgottler
December 23rd, 2005, 09:01 PM
OK guys....input.

Between the trans and t-case. I like my current 231 low range. It is perfect for mud running, I don't want to give it up. But rocks, I'm too high. I want something lower for the rocks, but keep my current low range too.

I currently am running a stock engine/trans/t-case setup with a RE Whack 'n Tap SYE ( 4 years and holding strong!). 5.13 gears on 36's.

Wondering if I should add the newer super short SYE with the bigger main shaft to my 231. Looking into 241 component swaping beef it up a bit. Take a junk 231, steal the planetary pick up a DIY kit for the crawler box. 600 something for the DIY kit.

Or, pick up a used D300 and I'd have to update main shaft, flip it for drivers drop, same DIY crawler box. This might be longer than a SS SYE 231, not sure. Much stronger thou...I like this idea.

3spd t-case or a Klune V.....hahaha yeah right!

I'm happy with my current wheelbase now, so, I'm only extending it as much as necessary to fit the box.

Let me hear it!

Lucas

95geo
December 23rd, 2005, 11:06 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lgottler &#064; Dec 23 2005, 08&#58;01 PM) 7228</div>

OK guys....input.

Between the trans and t-case. I like my current 231 low range. It is perfect for mud running, I don&#39;t want to give it up. But rocks, I&#39;m too high. I want something lower for the rocks, but keep my current low range too.



Let me hear it&#33;

Lucas
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well i say just get a lowrange for your case and be done with it...... for mud you have 2nd 3rd and 4th for the rocks you have 1st and 2nd

not that it matters at all because i have an auto but i have a 4:1 low range and with the torque converter its about 120:1 i have only used second once and that was to launch up a slick hill at the badlands, just some food for thought

hunter2005
December 24th, 2005, 10:08 AM
:stole-it: try gettin ahold of off-road design... that gat alot of cool sh*t... for crawl boxes and daul t-case...... :bigemo_harabe_net-03:

95geo
December 24th, 2005, 10:43 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hunter2005 &#064; Dec 24 2005, 09&#58;08 AM) 7234</div>

:stole-it: try gettin ahold of off-road design... that gat alot of cool sh*t... for crawl boxes and daul t-case...... :bigemo_harabe_net-03:
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gee..... dont be so helpful next time

timbercruiser
December 24th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Ditto what Geo said.

My hope filled plans include putting a 4:1 t/c in the cruiser.



If you have enough contacts, try scoring a 4:1 t/c from a dead Rubi. (Good Luck on that&#33;&#33;)

hunter2005
December 24th, 2005, 12:42 PM
:stole-it: for your cruser look into marlincrawler.com they got all kinds of stuff for yota&#39;s....

lgottler
December 24th, 2005, 04:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(95geo &#064; Dec 23 2005, 07&#58;06 PM) 7232</div>


well i say just get a lowrange for your case and be done with it...... for mud you have 2nd 3rd and 4th for the rocks you have 1st and 2nd

not that it matters at all because i have an auto but i have a 4:1 low range and with the torque converter its about 120:1 i have only used second once and that was to launch up a slick hill at the badlands, just some food for thought
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I use 2nd and 3rd now for mud, sometimes 4th (rarely)....I would hate to have to use OD to mud bog&#33;&#33;

Its about 1000 bucks for a 4:1 kit...or the Rocktrac 241 in Rubi&#39;s used. Its kinda the same price, but more work for a planetary reduction box on the front. I&#39;d need to upgrade my main shaft in the 231 if I keep it or a D300 if I go that way, I don&#39;t want all that reduction up front without upgrading the boxes behind it.

I&#39;d love to find specs on the shaft for the DIY kit, I could get one made cheap, thats the only part I&#39;d need to have made, the shaft. The guy won&#39;t just sell the shafts, he says pay 650 and you get the shaft&#33; I have the metal at work, I can get the hardening done for free up to a 12 pack of beer, I just need to have the splines cut.

Lucas

timbercruiser
December 27th, 2005, 04:39 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hunter2005 &#064; Dec 24 2005, 08&#58;42 AM) 7238</div>

:stole-it: for your cruser look into marlincrawler.com they got all kinds of stuff for yota&#39;s....
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Orion when I have the &#036; saved up&#33;&#33;

No mods, just plug and play

lgottler
December 29th, 2005, 11:50 AM
I found a guy that wants to put a kit out on the market soon for roughly half the cost of the Mad Rooster one....I&#39;ll wait to see what he comes up with.

Lucas

Tab
December 30th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Lucas, I have the dimensions you seek. I have the plans for the block off plate and the shaft. I can make the plates you hook me up with someone who can make the shaft and were rich&#33; Well, at least we&#39;ll each have a kit. I&#39;ve been looking at the klune v. I really like the idea of having 1, 2.72, 4, and 10+. Not sure how useful 10.88 would be but its there. Or just biting the bullet and get a Stak or new atlas. Decisions, decisions. Thanks, Tab

Roadhouse
December 30th, 2005, 02:12 PM
You can all start the jokes after I post this.......but

In the back of my mind, I&#39;ve considered the KluneV....I have the wheelbase so the added length wouldn&#39;t be a problem for me unlike the SWB. It&#39;s about &#036;1k for a tera 4:1 for my 242. I&#39;m not sure on the price of a KluneV I thought they were close to &#036;2k....but like you guys have mentioned more options. First step is new lift, and axles....then I will worry about gear ruduction down the road.

Tab
December 30th, 2005, 03:02 PM
The Klune-v 4.0 is &#036;1700 and the 2.72 is close to that I think. But like you said, a tera low is &#036;1000 or an atlas (2speed) is about &#036;1800 now. But you dont get the extra 2 speeds that a klune-v gives you. I want to run my flipped 300 so a klune makes a bit more sense to me and the combo of a klune and 300 is the same length as a 231 with a sye kit. Plus I&#39;m stretching the wheelbase too so its not so much of an issue. As far as using an old 231 reduction is that you can only have the stock 2.72 so its basically a 3 speed with a 7.4 low range. Maybe too low still? For the cost of the &#036;650 kit I would get a klune BUT if Lucas and I can make something cheaper then that changes considerably. I would still want to run a 300 flipped though and nobody that I&#39;ve seen has pulled it off with this kit yet as there is no room.

Roadhouse
December 30th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Tab, that is another thing that has floated around in the back of my clouded mind.....running a flipped 300, and gettting rid of my 242 aluminun boat anchor. I luv the 242 for its selectability of 2wd, Awd, 4hi, and 4low, but if this isn&#39;t a driver for winters or summer, who really needs all that. A gear to gear d300 would be great, plus I can get the d300 for free, just need all the extras like twin stick, flip kit, and klune v, as I would like to do them all at once.

Tab what is the cheapest you have found the flip kit for? I have found &#036;595 as the cheapest.

Tab
December 30th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Building my own of course&#33; Search Pirate, there are a bunch of guys who have made their own using anything from welded up thin box tubing to machined billet aluminum. They say its very easy to do once you take it apart and look at it. Some people are trying to just flip it and run custom bent shifters or cable shifters from under and back from the tcase. Everyone says it will leak out the shift rail holes but so far they havent and if they do you could upgrade the 1940&#39;s tech seals to some newer, double lip ones or something. OR you can get a dana 20 from a early bronco and run that as is. The drop is drivers side and the shifters are on top. But the rear output is a bit weak and needs an upgrade to the tune of &#036;350. But it would keep you from having to buy a &#036;600 flip kit. Also the 20 needs an adapter to run the klunev or 231 range box. It cost &#036;280 or so. About the total cost of a flip kit now with the two pieces. It really depends on what you have and how cheap you can get/make stuff.

Roadhouse
December 30th, 2005, 08:27 PM
Thanks Tab........by the time I actually get around to doing something, they will have new technology out..

lgottler
January 1st, 2006, 10:56 PM
Hey Tab,

if you have it, send me an AutoCad on that shaft. or fax a drawing to 586-598-1171 and put LUCAS on the cover.

I&#39;ll see what I can find out.

Thanks,

Lucas

lgottler@sbcglobal.net

Yeah D300...I&#39;d really like to know if a 231 with a HD output shaft is strong enough to deal with a reduction box in front of it. That is my concern.....I suppose I could try it, 231 boxes are cheap&#33; and chances are the HD output wouldn&#39;t snap, probably the chain or the case, that way I would swap boxes if it broke and focus on something stronger&#33; I don&#39;t like dry rocks, so if it will live the once and a while I need to go slow, I&#39;d be thrilled&#33;