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cc
November 9th, 2009, 03:37 PM
If you're not up on this case, here is the thread on GL4x4:
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=140027

Anybody have any info on this? What the hell does it take to get a court ruling on stuff like this? Why are these always dismissed?

jeepfreak81
November 9th, 2009, 05:01 PM
If the dismiss them they can keep giving tickets and hope the uninformed just pay up.

What is happening to all the donated money to fight this? Is it going into a GLFWDA account to fight other tickets that may arise?

WhiteRhino
November 9th, 2009, 05:16 PM
I assume that by dismissing this, it negates any reason to set precident.

phittie1100
November 9th, 2009, 11:42 PM
Unless I missed something, there was not much of a precedent to be set. The tickets were issued for being "out of bounds" according to the new vehicle use maps, which at that time has not been published yet. Today that same stretch of trail is "out of bounds" according to the now-published MVUM. The legal victory for our sport in general would have been to get someone from USFS on the stand to answer questions about road densities and some of the other technical arguments that the Two Trackers, UFWDA and GLFWDA have been working on for a while in an attempt to get more trails on the map before it was published.

Renegade II
November 10th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Sometimes prosecutors feel that it's just not feasable to waste several days and thousands of dollars on a trial that is over an insignificant (to them) matter. It's not like there were tens of thousands of dollars of fine money at stake in this incident. They just waited to see if these guys would "flinch" first and just pay the fine before they dropped it.

I'd comment more about our courts system, but I'd like to remain employed until I decide to retire.

Jarhead
November 10th, 2009, 03:40 PM
All-in-all, the Case being Dismissed carries with it a mixed blessing.

As for the reservoir funds; the understanding from the beginning was that UFWDA and GLFWDA would receive any remaining monies to carry the fight forward another day.

This still leaves the four that received the citations out their own personal loses as they covered their own expenses.

cc
November 10th, 2009, 04:10 PM
All-in-all, the Case being Dismissed carries with it a mixed blessing.

As for the reservoir funds; the understanding from the beginning was that UFWDA and GLFWDA would receive any remaining monies to carry the fight forward another day.

This still leaves the four that received the citations out their own personal loses as they covered their own expenses.

Hopefully you're not going to funnel local people's money that they donated to fight a michigan court battle out to California via UFWDA.

DDS4X4
November 10th, 2009, 10:46 PM
Not much would go to CA, seems most of the fights lately have been east of the Mississippi.

Cap Cod and Virginia beach access, Tellico, Michigan, ...

I'm sure the powers to be will do the BEST thing.

Jarhead
November 11th, 2009, 06:05 PM
Hopefully you're not going to funnel local people's money that they donated to fight a michigan court battle out to California via UFWDA.
UFWDA (Carla) worked with our local Attorney to prepare for Court. The monies raised was to pay the billable hours for both Attorneys; with the remainder to be forwarded to the Association.

Currently, I am involved in negotiations for pending changes of 811 that has 29 bullets/points at present in addition to the other legislation I posted last week in which I continue to utilize the services of both our local guy and UFWDA(Carla).

Soooooooooooooooooo, in a word, NO we are not funneling local people's money anywhere but within the confines of our State's Border.

cc
November 12th, 2009, 09:19 AM
Soooooooooooooooooo, in a word, NO we are not funneling local people's money anywhere but within the confines of our State's Border.

Glad to hear it!

navy-jeepster
December 21st, 2009, 11:43 AM
As a member on the UFWDA BOD for a few more days, if this matter came to a vote with me on the BOD of if we should accept money from GL that was left over so we could fight a fight in Ca or another state, I would want it to help Michigan wheelers.

I have a love for Michigan, as I grew up here and want to see more trails.

Glad the tickets got dismissed.

Todd