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September 25th, 2009, 11:53 AM
Once again, those here in the midwest and the east coast are trying to close down wheeling in Utah. Remember, even if you don't plan to wheel out west, don't be fooled into thinking they won't come after MI sometime soon. The more they close, the easier it gets.
H.R. 1925

cosponsor against us Vernon Ehlers (R 3rd) 07/08/2009
cosponsor against us Dale Kildee (D 5th) 04/02/2009
cosponsor against us Gary Peters (D 9th) 06/15/2009
cosponsor against us Sander Levin (D 12th) 04/02/2009
cosponsor against us Carolyn Kilpatrick (D 13th) 04/02/2009
cosponsor against us John Conyers (D 14th) 04/02/2009

More contact info here for the reps above. The bill goes to committee on October 1st so not a lot of time. The link above has a pre-written email to make it easier.

September 25th, 2009, 02:52 PM
Rich, Thanks for reminding me about this:

H.R. 1925 Would Eliminate Motorized and Mechanized Access to Over 9 Million Acres of Public Land in UT.

Please click here to let Members of the House Natural Resources Committee, Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands know that you oppose H.R. 1925, "America's Red Rock Wilderness Act of 2009." H.R. 1925 would designate over 9 million acres of land in Utah as Wilderness. If the bill were to become law, each of these 9 million acres would be made permanently off-limits to motorized and mechanized recreation, including off-highway motorcycles, ATVs, 4x4s, snowmobiles and mountain bikes.

The House Parks, Forests and Public Lands Subcommittee will hold a hearing on the legislation on October 1st. As a constituent with a member on the Subcommittee it is imperative that you weigh in to protect access. Today riding areas in UT are in jeopardy tomorrow it might be your state! Use the link below to help make it clear that Wilderness bills like H.R. 1925 that designate mammoth tracks of land as wilderness without regard for current recreational opportunities and without input from the local and recreational communities are unacceptable to recreationists.

Please use the link below to send a letter to your Member opposing H.R. 1925


September 25th, 2009, 07:34 PM
tried to reply to this got an error message?
could be im a dummy and did something wrong?

heres the message:
We're sorry, but you cannot take action on this alert. This may be because the alert is restricted to specific states or to constituents of specific representatives, or because your address does not match a ZIP code we can properly map to your representative, or because your representative does not have a contact email address or webform.

just a heads up.

September 25th, 2009, 08:42 PM

It worked fine for me.
I had to change the word "riding" to "driving", but that was no biggie.

September 25th, 2009, 08:48 PM
tried to reply to this gto an eroor message?
could be im a dummy and did something wrong?

heres the message:
We're sorry, but you cannot take action on this alert. This may be because the alert is restricted to specific states or to constituents of specific representatives, or because your address does not match a ZIP code we can properly map to your representative, or because your representative does not have a contact email address or webform.

just a heads up.

Try this link

Your Rep is Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI 12th District)

Website: www.house.gov/levin

Washington, D.C. Office:
1236 Longworth House Office Building,
District of Columbia 20515-2212
Phone: (202) 225-4961
Fax: (202) 226-1033

Roseville Office:

27085 Gratiot Avenue
Roseville, Michigan 48066
Phone: (586) 498-7122
Fax: (586) 498-7123

September 26th, 2009, 12:05 AM
I got the same reply as Joe Jeep/Frank.

September 30th, 2009, 12:28 AM
There is less then 48 hours until they vote maybe to close Moab to wheeling forever.

What will you do in that time to save our sport?

Click the link above and send your email.

September 30th, 2009, 08:16 AM
I did mine.

Pisses me off that Peters and Levin, both from Michigan are sponsors of this. arrrgggg.

September 30th, 2009, 09:33 AM
Letter sent!


Creative Fab
September 30th, 2009, 09:33 AM
letter sent

September 30th, 2009, 09:36 AM
Knew you guys would. Time is running out, lets hope we get the support we need.

September 30th, 2009, 05:17 PM
I managed to get one in... I used a madison heights address though... if anyone wants to use a madison heights address it's 32303 howard.

September 30th, 2009, 05:41 PM

October 1st, 2009, 09:21 AM
Down to about 24+ hours to go. Lets get those phone calls and emails into the reps.

October 1st, 2009, 03:44 PM

Not looking good in the hearing right now. Watching it live and the panel is stacked against us.

You can kiss wheeling goodbye if more don't get involved.

October 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM
Hearing didn't go well for our side today. Still could use more calls and emails.

Or sit back and hope someone else does it for you.

October 2nd, 2009, 02:44 PM

E&E: 10/2/09
PUBLIC LANDS: Red Rocks wilderness bill meets stiff opposition (10/02/2009)
Patrick Reis, E&E reporter

House Democrats say they may finally have the support to pass a massive Utah wilderness bill they have pushed for two decades, but if they do, it will be despite concerns from the White House and furious opposition from Utah's congressional delegation.

H.R. 1925 would designate more than 9 million acres as protected wilderness -- including Desolation Canyon, the Grand Staircase-Escalante area and Glen Canyon. The bill, first introduced in 1989, had its first hearing in Congress since 1995 yesterday in the House National Parks, Forests and Public Lands Subcommittee.

The land in question is the subject of an ongoing struggle over management priorities. Environmental groups insist that only a wilderness designation can protect the area from the creep of oil and gas development and from thousands of miles of off-highway vehicle trails.

"Illegal trails often find their way onto BLM route maps due to pressure from off-road vehicle groups," said Peter Metcalf, vice president of the Outdoor Industry Association. "Just a few of these routes, once established, can disqualify thousands of acres from future wilderness consideration."
Proponents of oil and gas drilling -- as well as state officials banking on revenue from royalties to meet state needs -- insist that the energy deposits can be safely developed without compromising the area's scenic value.

The measure ignores the needs of state residents in favor of a blanket conservation mandate, Utah Lt. Gov. Greg Bell said yesterday at a hearing of the National Parks, Forests and Public Lands Subcommittee.

The bill's backers have not "sought to balance the laudable goal of preserving our stunning scenic resources against the nation's needs for wildlife conservation, recreational pursuits and energy," Bell said.
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.), longtime sponsor of the "America's Red Rocks Wilderness Act," said the bill is necessary precisely because the regional balance has too often tipped toward exploitation.
"This bill was developed in response to a Bureau of Land Management wilderness inventory that significantly undervalued [the region's] natural resources," Hinchey said. "There has been a desire to push short-term private interest over long-term public interest."

Hinchey cited Energy Information Agency figures saying the lands held less than a few days worth of oil and a few weeks worth of gas -- less than 1 percent of domestic oil reserves and less than 2 percent of gas reserves. The terrain above them, he said, contains "some of the great landscapes the world has ever seen."
Proponents see hope; Interior sees alternatives
The bill has been a perennial nonstarter in Congress since it was first introduced by Utah Rep. Wayne Owens (D) in 1989, but Democrats say this session could be the one.

"It's certainly not going to be easy," said Hinchey spokesman Jeff Lieberson. But "the fact that there's a strong Democratic majority, that there's a Democratic administration and Interior Department that recognize the value of wilderness designations, coupled with the fact that there are 146 co-sponsors for the bill," makes them believe we can get it passed.
The companion Senate bill (S. 799) from Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) has 21 co-sponsors.

But administrative support may be difficult to come by, and Utah's entire delegation is dead set in opposition.
Rather than create 9.3 million acres of wilderness in one bill, Interior yesterday suggested a series of smaller measures.

Bureau of Land Management Director Robert Abbey noted that the agency had determined that much of the land had "wilderness-like" characteristics, but he said the administration would prefer an approach that would allow Interior to make more detailed assessments and foster more constructive dialogue. "I think we would support that approach," Abbey said.
The Utah delegation might support such an approach as well, but they certainly want no part of the current legislation.

Utah Republican Sens. Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett, joined Utah Reps. Jim Matheson (D), Rob Bishop (R) and Jason Chaffetz (R) in bashing the bill, which they painted as the work of outsiders pushing a special interest agenda without regard for the needs of Utah residents.
Some of the lands proposed by the bill should be designated for wilderness, the members said, but it should be done in a piecemeal process that builds consensus among local property owners and industries.

Bishop insisted any wilderness package should not stop the state from developing oil and natural gas reserves, and said doing so would hamstring Utah's mineral sector, increase unemployment and take away badly needed revenue for public schools.

In its current form, Bishop said, H.R. 1925 is "coming from Washington and crammed down the throat of the people of Utah."
Hinchey disputed that notion, saying federal lands belonged to all Americans and that all Americans should have a voice in how they are managed.
But for Hatch, that argument fell short of justifying a bill that would disproportionately affect Utah residents but did not have the support of a single member of the state's delegation.

"In law, and in policymaking, stakeholders are not always equal," Hatch said. "Voices of stakeholders most impacted should be given the greatest weight. This legislation turns that principle on its head."
Other wilderness bills fare better
The administration did express support for several other wilderness bills during yesterday's hearing.
BLM's Abbey backed two pieces of legislation intended to conserve Oregon's wild places. H.R. 2888 from Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) would permanently protect the Devil's Staircase area -- nearly 30,000 acres of forest in Oregon's Coast Range -- as federal wilderness.

A separate bill, H.R. 2781, from Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), would protect stretches of Oregon's Molalla under the Wild and Scenic River Act.

BLM supported the bill with minor modifications. Abbey suggested the act designate the river as "recreational," one of the three possible designations under the act. In current form, the bill does not specify a designation.

BLM also supported H.R. 86, which would incorporate scenic islands and rocks off the coast of Orange County into the BLM's California Coastal National Monument.
Del Albright
BlueRibbon Coalition Ambassador
Co-Founder, Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR)

October 3rd, 2009, 12:04 AM
That map REALLY tells the story!!


October 3rd, 2009, 12:26 AM
it worked this time!

October 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM
So how did it turn out?

October 10th, 2009, 10:37 AM
So how did it turn out?

Looks like they are going to go ahead and vote on it in committee as we didn't do well at the hearing. So it will be coming up on the committee docket sometime soon.

Now is the time to keep the letters, emails and phone calls going letting them know about our side of the issue. Remember to keep it civil and respectful, goes a lot farther.

For me, the bill has some valid and good points, however, once again, it is too broad of an attempt, covering areas that should not be included. I think the committee needs to fine tune the bill then vote on it.

October 10th, 2009, 11:05 AM
So who do we contact in committee?

October 10th, 2009, 05:21 PM
So who do we contact in committee?

These are cosponsors of the bill that we need to let know they are NOT acting in the best interest of all Land users.

Congressman Dale E. Kildee 5th District. [On the committee]
(Flint, Saginaw, Bay City Area)
Website: house.gov.kildee
DC Office
2107 Rayburn Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515-2209
Phone: (202) 225-3611 Fax: (202) 225-6393
Flint Office
432 N. Saginaw Street Suite 410 Flint, MI 48502-2018
Phone: (810) 239-1437 Fax: (810) 239-1439
Saginaw Office
515 N. Washington Avenue Suite 401 Saginaw, Mi 48607-1370
Phone: (989) 755-8904 Fax: (989) 755-8908
Bay City Office
916 Washington Avenue Suite 205 Bay City. MI 48708-5721
Phone: (989) 891-0990 Fax: (989) 891-0994
Toll Free to Michigan Offices: 1-800-662-2685

Rep. VernonElders 3rd District
Website: www.house.gov/ehlers
Washington, D.C. Office:
2182 Rayburn House Office Building, District of Columbia 20515-2203
Phone: (202) 225-3831 Fax: (202) 225-5144

Grand Rapids Office: (more district offices)
110 Michigan Street, NW, Room 166 Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
Phone: (616) 451-8383 Fax: (616) 454-5630

Rep. Gary Peters 9th
website: peters.house.gov

Washington, D.C. Office:
1130 Longworth House Office Building, District of Columbia 20515-2209
Phone: (202) 225-5802 Fax: (202) 226-2356
Troy Office:
560 Kirts Boulevard, Suite 105 Troy, Michigan 48084
Phone: (248) 273-4227 Fax: (248) 273-4704

Rep. Sander Levin 12th district
website: house.gov.levin

Washington, D.C. Office:
1236 Longworth House Office Building, District of Columbia 20515-2212
Phone: (202) 225-4961 Fax: (202) 226-1033
Roseville Office:
27085 Gratiot Avenue Roseville, Michigan 48066
Phone: (586) 498-7122 Fax: (586) 498-7123

Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI 13th District)
website: house.gov.kilpatrick
Washington, D.C. Office:
2264 Rayburn House Office Building, District of Columbia 20515-2213
Phone: (202) 225-2261 Fax: (202) 225-5730
Detroit Office:
1274 Library, Suite 1B Detroit, Michigan 48226
Phone: (313) 965-9004 Fax: (313) 965-9006
Wyandotte Office:
3005 Biddle Street, Room A Wyandotte, Michigan 48192
Phone: (734) 246-0780 Fax: (734) 246-1148

Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-MI 14th District)
website: house.gov.conyers
Washington, D.C. Office:
2426 Rayburn House Office Building, District of Columbia 20515-2214
Phone: (202) 225-5126 Fax: (202) 225-0072
Detroit Office:
231 West Lafayette Boulevard, 669 Federal Building Detroit, Michigan 48226
Phone: (313) 961-5670 Fax: (313) 226-2085
Trenton Office:
2615 West Jefferson Trenton, Michigan 48183
Phone: (734) 675-4084 Fax: (734) 675-4218

Keep in mind also, S.799 is still floating around trying to get passed. Senator Debbie Stabenow is a cosponsor of this bill, which is the Senate version of H.R. 1925
Her info:
Washington, DC Office
Senator Debbie Stabenow
133 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-4822
e-mail: senator@stabenow.senate.gov

October 11th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I had opportunity to speak with Dale Kildee to express our desires today (he was in Flint this weekend). His focus was/is on Health Care Reform and need to more the issue forward. I questioned the rationale of the two independent issues being combined at great sacrifice. Dale and I have had many conversations over the years and he has always tried to shed a light into his reasoning. We have not always agreed, in fact we have disagreed on a variety of topics over the years.

Our points, concerns were made for him to at least hear first hand without an aid or committee to interpret what he heard. He intends to follow-up with the congressmen from Utah and dig up a few more facts.

Debbie was to be in Michigan as well this past weekend, but I was unable to catch up with her. Debbie's real problem lies in her inability to get her name on a single bill during her tenure, other than being a co-sponsor. Her chances of reelection are fading as fast as the leaves changing color.