Terribly dangerous article

[WhiteRhino]

http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/general/listing.cfm?articleID=468

I can't believe anyone would think this is safe.

I emailed them this comment:

I was just reading this article and am appalled that you would suggest putting this hook between 2 straps. People in the off roading industry are killed every year because of a hard steel object connecting two straps becomes a missile in the event of a strap breaking.

Please retract this suggestion.

Sincerely,

Jim Kitson
Member of Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association
Davisburg, Michigan

[JohnnyJ]

yikes

[shaker]

That's crazy!

[timbercruiser]

Jim, thanks for telling them. That is dangerous. Be sure to "belittle them publicly and loudly so as to burn it into their memory" (as per the article)

[Jarhead]

Sadly, many that read the article will fail to heed the subtle warnings and I believe they open themselves to all types of ligation when there direction followed ends poorly.

I would ask that each of us take the time to contact MoabJeeper Magazine and ask them to review Wish I Thought of That... Trail Recovery Hook
Article written by Moab Man, Date Added: 10/19/2008

Email them at: support@moabjeeper.com

[Renegade II]

WOW, that info there is just plain :crazy:

[T-way]

HOLY HOLE IN THE CRANIUM, BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for bringing the gaffe to their attention Jim!

:yourock:

[Bult4mud]

To whom it may concern.

A friend and Club member was killed at a non club event when two tow straps were attached by a clevis. This is a terribly dangerous Idea. Please advise your readers of the dangers, as public ridicule is better than death by blunt force injury.

ROY
Soldiers of Fortune Off-road President
GLFWDA Member
UFWDA Member

emailed em

[Creative Fab]

To whom it may concern,

I am writing in regards to an online article I read on your website. The recovery method shown there that consisted of using two tow hooks to connect two straps together is absolutely the worse advice you could give someone. Unless of course you do not like them and wish great bodily harm and or death.

A good friend of mine and fellow GLFWDA member Johnathon Blystra was killed a couple years back from a similar arrangement. It was actually a screw clevis between two straps that when one strap broke the clevis became a missile and entered the rear window of his truck. This happend on the day of his wedding anniversary with his 8 year old daughter watching and his wife cooking them a anniversary dinner at home. I give you these details in the hopes it hits a little closer to home when you can picture what his wife and daughter must have went through. Please retract this information and and help save another family from going through the same scenario.

Sincerely,

Pat Kinne
Owner Ironman Offroad
4WD awareness instructor
GLFWDA, lifetime member
UFWDA
Tri-City Trailriders

[WhiteRhino]

Wow, I slopped together a quick statement. You guys are doing a much better job. Kudos!:thumb:

[Trail_Fanatic]

Unbelievable article!

Great letters guys!

[Brods]

Just wow.

Thinking about sending this to all the email contacts listed on their site and UFWDA as well. Think its too harsh?


Dear Sirs,

RE: http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/general/listing.cfm?articleID=468

I’m not going to sugar coat this, that article "Wish I Thought of That... Trail Recovery Hook" is a disgrace. The recommendation to misapply two tow hooks to make a half-assed substitute for a shackle is bad enough, but to then suggest it can be used to connect two straps together is the height of irresponsibility. Several people have been killed when straps break and the metal connections between the two straps become high velocity projectiles. Even just the bare strap itself can have enough energy to go through a windshield. What were you thinking?

The article mentions cost as a excuse for the jury-rigged hook assembly. Unbelievable! Just how much is a life worth?? If someone cannot afford the proper recovery gear, in this case a simple shackle, then they cannot afford to wheel! God forbid someone dies following your foolish advice! And the last thing our sport needs is more negative publicity.

Please remove the article, educate your staff on the hazards of vehicle recovery and only then write a new article informing others of the proper way to approach vehicle recovery. The future article should clearly warn the reader of the risks involved with recovering a stuck vehicle. It should also recommend that those involved with the recovery use common sense and have a healthy respect for the forces involved or serious injury and/or death may be the result. And never recommend connecting two straps together with something that can become a life threatening projectile!

Looking over your website it appears you guys are not novice wheelers and should certainly know better!

I have CC UFWDA to bring this matter to their attention. Should you guys choose to leave the article up maybe they can convince you of the moral and legal irresponsibility of the article.

Disappointed,

[Ridin Dirty]

To whom it may concern,

I am writing in regards to an online article I read on your website. The recovery method shown there that consisted of using two tow hooks to connect two straps together is absolutely the worse advice you could give someone. Unless of course you do not like them and wish great bodily harm and or death.

A good friend of mine and fellow GLFWDA member Johnathon Blystra was killed a couple years back from a similar arrangement. It was actually a screw clevis between two straps that when one strap broke the clevis became a missile and entered the rear window of his truck. This happend on the day of his wedding anniversary with his 8 year old daughter watching and his wife cooking them a anniversary dinner at home. I give you these details in the hopes it hits a little closer to home when you can picture what his wife and daughter must have went through. Please retract this information and and help save another family from going through the same scenario.

Sincerely,

Pat Kinne
Owner Ironman Offroad
4WD awareness instructor
GLFWDA, lifetime member
UFWDA
Tri-City Trailriders

Very well written.:thumb:

[Bult4mud]

wow you guys r betterer riters than i

hahah

[Jarhead]

Just wow.

Thinking about sending this to all the email contacts listed on their site and UFWDA as well. Think its too harsh?

The article was well written, send it.

Thank You to each one of you that is taking the time to let others know we care about their safety, even if we have never met.

[Brods]

Done. It is discouraging that seemingly experienced wheelers would suggest such stupid things. In their "Final Thoughts" they call it a Trail Recovery Hook.... Hillbilly Death Hook would have been a better name. :banghead:

[phittie1100]

An Internet article (which by default has to be real, factual, and accurate) written by a guy with an authoritative name like Moab Man - good enough for me, anyone want to meet me after work for some real world testing?





No?

[T-way]

Heck..........I'm just gonna get a whole bunch of them there tow-hooky-thingies, and hook 'em all together!!! Then I'll have a bada** solid metal connector that I can just put between the stuck vehicle and the tugging truck!! That way, I don't have to account for any of that stupid stretch that you get with them there expen$ive woven straps, with the sissy-lookin' loops on the ends!!! IT'S GONNA BE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!

:bootyshake:

Oh.........and let us know if any of you get a reply from your letters! I commend each of you for sending such well-written, thoughtful letters. Nice job!!

:thumb:

[WhiteRhino]

Well as of this morning the article is still up.

[Brods]

Yeah, I guess they don’t get it. I was hoping someone at UFWDA knew them and could the bring the seriousness of it to their attention.

They do have a forum and it appears that someone from United that posts on this forum is also a member of that forum too. I’ve PMed him asking if he can educate them as to why it is so wrong.

[kb8ymf]

Yeah, I guess they don’t get it. I was hoping someone at UFWDA knew them and could the bring the seriousness of it to their attention.

They do have a forum and it appears that someone from United that posts on this forum is also a member of that forum too. I’ve PMed him asking if he can educate them as to why it is so wrong.

Actually it's being 'worked' on. Let's see what happens by tonight.
j

[Brods]

This article has been temporarily removed for further review :thumb:

[sumpter1]

Good deal!

[timbercruiser]

Let's hope that means they say "oops, bad idea!"

Good work, fellas.

[WhiteRhino]

Article Under Review - Trail Recovery Hook
Article written by Moab Man

Date Added: 10/19/2008


This article has been temporarily removed for further review

This article is under review and more will be posted about it within the next few weeks. Thanks to everyone who has written in to us.

Great job guys!

[T-way]

And a great job to the folks that posted the article, for having the sense to remove after hearing from you fellas! Nice to know that they took the constructive criticism in the right spirit, and didn't just thumb their noses at us!

:thumb:

[Trail_Fanatic]

I agree!

An appropriate response at this point.
I hope the results of their investigation is worth printing too.

I think we all know what that will be.
It will just be interesting to see how they say it.

:yourock:

[Bult4mud]

ill be keeping up on it.. Glad to hear they removed it..