glfwda and religion

[joe_jeep]

would it be wrong for glfwda to take part in a religious holiday event?

would this be offensive some members?

what if it was for a religion other than your own, would that change your feelings?

[DieselMTU]

My feeling is hey, whatever... If I don't like your religion, then I just won't come or volunteer....

[Petoskey Mudder]

We all share a similar interest...Jeeps.:thumb:
I would leave it at that.

edit: meaning if it has a Jeep involved, count me in (if its up here in the north).

[WhiteRhino]

I guess I would need more detail. Since I am a Christian, I would only partake in a Christian holiday. That said, I still think there is a point where I still may choose to decline.

[brewmenn]

makes no difference to me.

[Ridgerunner]

I would need more details before commenting.
Does it involve mixing wheeling with a church function ? :confused:

[joe_jeep]

kinda like a religious parade?

[oz97tj]

ugh, I'm not so much for the bible thumpers. I'm all for some sort of thing that helped wheelers, but not for promoting a certain religion.



Frankly, I don't see where GLFWDA and religion is connected so I would say no.

[joe_jeep]

ugh, I'm not so much for the bible thumpers. I'm all for some sort of thing that helped wheelers

you never know what will help the association sometimes?

unfortunatly the opposite is true also!

[oz97tj]

Ok, I have recieved slightly more info so I'll post this to clarify my first post.

I don't feel it is right for GLFWDA to approach any religious group for any type of event. That is not what we do, and I'm betting GLFWDA is represented by many different religions so we should never approach any one group.

On the other hand, if we were approached by a group, whether it be a religious group or any other type of group, and asked to participate in an event that would be positive PR for the association then I believe we should try as long as it doesn't step on any others toes.

Basically, if the KKK came to us and wanted us to help support a white power cause then no, but if a group came and asked us to help with a parade as mentioned then it could be positive PR for us and maybe a bit of fun too!.

I just wanted to point that out. My first thread was a bit too black and white which is never the case.

[Jarhead]

GLFWDA and Religion are both separate entities. Just as they are separate entities doesn't mean they don't overlap or travel similar paths. The fact that many of us have our Religious Faiths (regardless of denomination) doesn't decide whether we are supportive of GLFWDA and their efforts, or help decide what type of vehicle we drive.

If someone has an idea for a event, post it up. Just like any event that is offered up, there may or may not be people that are able to participate. If the event should happen to have a theme or a desired end result (such as the What Lies Beyond Jeep Club at The Mounds on Thanksgiving collecting for those less fortunate or the Sundowners who are collecting for Toys for Tots on December 5th), post it up. Give all the details; it is often times the details that will intrigue interest. A lack of details will have just got a cursory glance.

Got an idea for an event, post it up!

[Jarhead]

Having given this a little more thought, maybe I don't understand the question. My Faith, My Beliefs are a part of who I am; I don't separate those to be a part of GLFWDA.

One of our shared experiences in having foster children in or home is the opportunity to acquaint ourselves with other religions as we try to keep the children in our care in touch with their upbringing. Whether Religion, Culture, Heritage or simply family, these are all important aspects for a child to hang onto while in our care. We do everything we can whether attending places of worship different than our own, visiting the library to learn more, participating in festivals/holidays, etc. For if the foster care system works the way it is intended, the children return home and we want them to have a strong sense of who they are and where they came from, so they may better decide where they are going. Our lives have been greatly enhanced, even blessed by the children in our care.

[joe_jeep]

ok ill shed a little light on the question i asked.

i grew up in Oak Park. when i moved there, it was a nearly 100 percent jewish neighborhood. by some simple twist of fate yesterday my phone rang. the man on the other end started asking questions about glfwda.
it turns out the guy i was talking to grew up in my old neighborhood. we talked for a while. he saw online where a hummer club on the west coast had taken part in a hanukah parade. he was wondering if we did things like this. im not a very religous man. i grew up in a community where i was exposed to different religions. my sister was actually jewish.
this is a 2000 year old tradition. something they take very seriously.
i think it is an honor to be invitied to such an event!

i talked to some other members about this event. we all were interested, but didnt wanna offend any other members. religion is a subject we dont bring up very often. i wanted to ask if we had any jewish members that wanted to participate. i didnt feel right asking someone to talk about their religion. i was not comfortable asking those kinda questions.

we have not commited to anything. we were interested in what other thought about this?

respectable comments welcome?

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

he saw online where a hummer club on the west coast had taken part in a hanukah parade. he was wondering if we did things like this. im not a very religous man.

i talked to some other members about this event. we all were interested, but didnt wanna offend any other members.

Based on the above, here's my take:

GLFWDA has no part in any religious ceremonies.

Individual members of GLFWDA can do whatever they want.

In other words, if you would like to make a post about this event and extend an invitation for people to join (as individuals, not as a GLFWDA sponsored event), I think that would be fine.

We should not have a "sponsored" event that involves a religious ceremony because we don't want to slight anyone so it's easier to say "no" to everyone.

[WhiteRhino]

Based on the above, here's my take:

GLFWDA has no part in any religious ceremonies.

Individual members of GLFWDA can do whatever they want.

In other words, if you would like to make a post about this event and extend an invitation for people to join (as individuals, not as a GLFWDA sponsored event), I think that would be fine.

We should not have a "sponsored" event that involves a religious ceremony because we don't want to slight anyone so it's easier to say "no" to everyone.

Probably the best answer IMO.

[joe_jeep]

Based on the above, here's my take:

GLFWDA has no part in any religious ceremonies.

Individual members of GLFWDA can do whatever they want.

In other words, if you would like to make a post about this event and extend an invitation for people to join (as individuals, not as a GLFWDA sponsored event), I think that would be fine.

We should not have a "sponsored" event that involves a religious ceremony because we don't want to slight anyone so it's easier to say "no" to everyone.


its sponsored by a local jewish community center, not glfwda. i think a few community members thought it would keep the kids more interested in the parade if there was a few different vehicles involved. vehicles alot of the community might never get up colse and see. we give toys to kids for christmas through toys for tots! thats a religous holiday. we had them at ostc last year didnt we? how is this that different?

do we have any jewish members with an opinion?
(feel free not to answer that question if your not comfortable with it)

[oz97tj]

So has anyone gotten further info as to what we are expected to do? If they are basically looking for some big crazy vehicles to be in the parade then I think we can pull that off! lol

[joe_jeep]

So has anyone gotten further info as to what we are expected to do? If they are basically looking for some big crazy vehicles to be in the parade then I think we can pull that off! lol

basically thats the deal.

we will know more monday i think.

supposed to be covered by the press live???

[Greenway]

My opinion would be based on the purpose of the event.

If the event promotes universal community service or celebration available to all without excluding people with different views, then I'm OK with it.

If the event promotes one religion over another, I personally would avoid it. If the event would be construed as a 'show of force' of the size of a religious subset within a community, our presence would be a de facto endorsement of that religion. That would also be bad.

Finally, even if the only reason we're being invited is to provide 'eye candy' to the kids, I won't be offended. There's nothing wrong with a religion endorsing good wholesome family entertainment, that's part of their job. However, if their spin on is "Hey, look at the cool stuff you can do by joining with us.", I would be a little more leery.

I don't see any harm discussing it here and offering it to all members. I just don't have enough information about the event to form an opinion yet on the GLFWDA stamp of approval. Right now I'm slightly leaning towards no.

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

its sponsored by a local jewish community center, not glfwda. i think a few community members thought it would keep the kids more interested in the parade if there was a few different vehicles involved. vehicles alot of the community might never get up colse and see. we give toys to kids for christmas through toys for tots! thats a religous holiday. we had them at ostc last year didnt we? how is this that different?

do we have any jewish members with an opinion?
(feel free not to answer that question if your not comfortable with it)
I didn't say it was sponsored by GLFWDA, but if you get people that are members of GLFWDA to attend it, it should not be advertised an a "GLFWDA event" or even a "supported by GLFWDA" event. In other words, the name "Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association" and the letters "GLFWDA" shoudl not be used in any way/association with the event.


So has anyone gotten further info as to what we are expected to do? If they are basically looking for some big crazy vehicles to be in the parade then I think we can pull that off! lol

"We" should not use "we" when speaking about this event. This needs to be an individual decision, not an association decision.

[shawn]

I guess I would need more detail. Since I am a Christian, I would only partake in a Christian holiday. That said, I still think there is a point where I still may choose to decline.


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[cc]

do we have any jewish members with an opinion?
(feel free not to answer that question if your not comfortable with it)

I'm part jew, and I don't think GLFWDA should do anything religious with any religious event.

[OldSailor]

If they just want Jeeps and 4x4's in the parade to attrract the kids' interest, why can't they just get inidviduals to drive their rigs in the parade? That doesn't even take mention of GLFWDA or any connection with the association.

[Jarhead]

Here are the details.

There is a Hanukah Celebration that takes place each year near Oak Park. A part of this celebration (at least for the last twenty years) involves a parade wherein the vehicles have a Candelabra on the roof. This parade, this Festival of Lights takes place in many cities throughout the world.

A former school mate of Joe saw an event in California and wondered if it could be duplicated here. The event involved a number of HUMMER’s. I have offered to send the details of this event to Members of The HUMMER Club, Inc. (of which I am a Board of Director) for their participation. Whether the Members opt to participate or not will be their decision.

Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association is a neutral party in most activities that make up our individual lives. I would have to agree that I don’t see GLFWDA Sanctioning this type of an event, nor do I believe having GLFWDA Sanction the event was ever a consideration. The event is simply an opportunity for people to get involved in the Holiday Cheer.

As I said in an earlier post, participation in a Celebration, a Festival different from my normal path in life offers up opportunities for my family to see and grow as we learn from those around us. We believe, Education ought to be an ever growing process.

[Miffy]

I do not see the connection. If a member drove in a parade with politic's involved would it be a GLFWDA choice? Someones Personal thoughts should not affect the whole group. We live in a country that supports free speech. I am sure there are a bunch of people that have friends from all sides of the politic's and religions.

It is a Personal Choice for people if they want to be involved or not. This is a Sport guys. It's suppose to be Fun. Everyone pushing what they belive in there lives as a group is not what the sport is about. Its about Everyone getting together and enjoying nature and friendships with some challange along the way.

I was born and raised with the Catholic Faith. But I would be more then happy to go and ride with any other religion, get to know the people and share some laugh's.

[Jarhead]

Nicely said Miffy.

[WhiteRhino]

I do not see the connection. If a member drove in a parade with politic's involved would it be a GLFWDA choice?

Not if one member did. But what about many? Let's say a whole bunch of us decided to ride in the local KKK parade or the next gay rights march. Do you really think that EVERYONE would say "those boys are just here for the social fun"? No, it would be perceived that we as a group endorse whatever the intention of the parade is.

Right now there is talk of a convoy to Washington to support the auto companies. If a group of us were in that, same question as above.




It is a Personal Choice for people if they want to be involved or not. This is a Sport guys. It's suppose to be Fun. Everyone pushing what they belive in there lives as a group is not what the sport is about. Its about Everyone getting together and enjoying nature and friendships with some challange along the way.

Exactly. So, why get in a religious parade? National holidays, yes. Religious events, no. If you want to do it on your own, go for it.


I was born and raised with the Catholic Faith. But I would be more then happy to go and ride with any other religion, get to know the people and share some laugh's.

That's your "individual" choice. It should not be part of non partisan group.

[cc]

By this association taking part in any sort of religious, or political activity, it is conveyed to other attendees that GLFWDA is a part of that religion or political activity.
Jewish Festival, Black Panther rally, Christmas parade, I say no.

I think it would be in the better interest of the organization to handle these sort of events via pm rather then as a GLFWDA outing.

[joe_jeep]

this was never going to be a glfwda event! sadly we dont sponsor very many events. when we do you all know about it, long in advace.

i personally wanted to hear opinions about the topic.

i didnt figure people would like the idea.

i hope the hummer club takes part and has fun.

[oz97tj]

Depending on when it is, and if some people go, I'll take my hillybilly TJ out there.

[Miffy]

Not if one member did. But what about many? Let's say a whole bunch of us decided to ride in the local KKK parade or the next gay rights march. Do you really think that EVERYONE would say "those boys are just here for the social fun"? No, it would be perceived that we as a group endorse whatever the intention of the parade is.

Right now there is talk of a convoy to Washington to support the auto companies. If a group of us were in that, same question as above

If Many did then they would be still making personal choices. If GLFWDA as a whole backed them or not? And Yes I would think that they were out for social fun backing one of there friends. If you stand near a Gay man will that make you Gay? I find your example of the KKK and Jewish people rude and un-called for.

A convoy to washington to back the Auto workers!! Yea I would in. Where would this country be with out the Auto workers? I don't care for all the politic's and stuff shirts that are in control but I have a bunch of friends that depend on the Auto industry.




Exactly. So, why get in a religious parade? National holidays, yes. Religious events, no. If you want to do it on your own, go for it.

Then your saying that GLFWDA only likes people with American Back Grounds? Are you not taking a stand as a group this way also?



That's your "individual" choice. It should not be part of non partisan group.

Are you not making a choice for the group to not be involved? In a non partisan group.

[WhiteRhino]

hahahaha...... Sue, go re-read. I never ONCE mentioned jews. Don't lump me in with anyone else's comments. :poke: And using the KKK as an example, you find that offensive? You've got to be kidding? No, sadly, maybe you're not.

No, I am not gay if I stand next to a gay man but, I also don't endorse the gay rights movement. Nor SHOULD this organization. Not because of my beliefs, but rather that it's not part of our charter.

Your comment about the convoy makes my point. You would be all for it, as would I. But, you just said, "Where would this country be with out the Auto workers? I don't care for all the politic's and stuff shirts that are in control but I have a bunch of friends that depend on the Auto industry." That tells me that you would participate because you endorse it. Which is the exact same perception you would give if you participated in a religious rally.

That is not the mission of this organization.

Supporting only American backgrounds? No. None of my business nor the organization's. Supporting American holidays? Yes. Absolutely.

Am I making a choice for the group to not be involved? Nope. Just expressing my opinion, as was originally asked.

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

I do not see the connection. If a member drove in a parade with politic's involved would it be a GLFWDA choice? Someones Personal thoughts should not affect the whole group. We live in a country that supports free speech. I am sure there are a bunch of people that have friends from all sides of the politic's and religions.
That is exactly my point, there should be no connection between GLFWDA and a religious event. This should be an individual choice, not an organizational one.


It is a Personal Choice for people if they want to be involved or not. This is a Sport guys. It's suppose to be Fun. Everyone pushing what they belive in there lives as a group is not what the sport is about. Its about Everyone getting together and enjoying nature and friendships with some challange along the way.See above.

[rtikql8]

Here are the details.

There is a Hanukah Celebration that takes place each year near Oak Park. A part of this celebration (at least for the last twenty years) involves a parade wherein the vehicles have a Candelabra on the roof. This parade, this Festival of Lights takes place in many cities throughout the world.

A former school mate of Joe saw an event in California and wondered if it could be duplicated here. The event involved a number of HUMMER’s. I have offered to send the details of this event to Members of The HUMMER Club, Inc. (of which I am a Board of Director) for their participation. Whether the Members opt to participate or not will be their decision.

Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association is a neutral party in most activities that make up our individual lives. I would have to agree that I don’t see GLFWDA Sanctioning this type of an event, nor do I believe having GLFWDA Sanction the event was ever a consideration. The event is simply an opportunity for people to get involved in the Holiday Cheer.

As I said in an earlier post, participation in a Celebration, a Festival different from my normal path in life offers up opportunities for my family to see and grow as we learn from those around us. We believe, Education ought to be an ever growing process.

[joe_jeep]

Supporting American holidays? Yes. Absolutely.

would it be ok if it was a christmas parade?

what about a 4th of july parade?

what about boxing day?

what about st. pattys day?

many of us know a little about our own traditions.
perhaps we could learn something from observing others traditions.

there is a point when being politically correct becomes counter productive to learning.

[WhiteRhino]

would it be ok if it was a christmas parade?

what about a 4th of july parade?

what about boxing day?

what about st. pattys day?

many of us know a little about our own traditions.
perhaps we could learn something from observing others traditions.

there is a point when being politically correct becomes counter productive to learning.

Although I'm a Christian, IMO, no, not if it was Christmas.

4th of July? Absolutely. That's patriotic.:thumb: Same with Memorial and Labor days.

From what I know of Boxing day, it's not really an American holiday but rather Canadian and English based on giving gifts to the poor. I don't think it's religious but rather charitable so, Sure, why not. Same with Toys for tots.

St Patty's day is a grey area. It's actually an offshoot of a Christian holiday but not really publicized that way so I'm iffy on that.

We can spend all day picking specific dates and saying "what if?". You want to do that, sure I can do it too. But, that's really a moot point. The real point is whether or not the organization should put themselves in a position where they are expressing a political, religious or ethical view that falls outside of the realm of our bylaws.

[joe_jeep]

toys for tots collects christmas gifts! that would be wrong. no supporting any religious holidays.

sorry to all the little kids.

tell the marines to try around valentines day mabey

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

toys for tots collects christmas gifts! that would be wrong. no supporting any religious holidays.

sorry to all the little kids.

tell the marines to try around valentines day mabey


Maybe you should tell them that!

Toys for Tots is not, in itself, a religious group. They choose to hold a donation on a Christmas holiday. Perhaps they hold donations during Hanukkah or Yom Kippur as well?

I wonder if any of their members go to Jewish, Buddist, or Muslim events?

Anyway, I thought this was a discussion? I thought you were looking for viewpoints? When did this turn into a debate about how the association is run or how the Marines want to handle their toy donations?

[T-way]

Before this gets ugly, I'll just say that from what I have read, it seems that the general consensus is that GLFWDA should not have its name associated with a religious event.

But if any of the members want to show up for this type of thing, and take part without representing themselves as being part of GLFWDA...so be it. Does anyone see that as a problem? Participate in whatever you want (so long as it's legal).....just don't participate as a representative of GLFWDA.

[Ridgerunner]

Before this gets ugly, I'll just say that from what I have read, it seems that the general consensus is that GLFWDA should not have its name associated with a religious event.

But if any of the members want to show up for this type of thing, and take part without representing themselves as being part of GLFWDA...so be it. Does anyone see that as a problem? Participate in whatever you want (so long as it's legal).....just don't participate as a representative of GLFWDA.


I have to Agree with you T-way.

If this thread would have started with all the details up front instead of beating around the bush with an inquiry, the members could decide to take part if they wanted to on there on free will.
I feel the associtation needs to remain neutral and not endorse any particular religion.

[oz97tj]

Maybe represent wheelers as a whole as being friendly people who care vs representing the association.

My thoughts are having people think wheelers are good people would benifit us down the road.

[Evil Queen]

Before this gets ugly, I'll just say that from what I have read, it seems that the general consensus is that GLFWDA should not have its name associated with a religious event.

But if any of the members want to show up for this type of thing, and take part without representing themselves as being part of GLFWDA...so be it. Does anyone see that as a problem? Participate in whatever you want (so long as it's legal).....just don't participate as a representative of GLFWDA.

This seems to be the common ground for all. I wouldn't hesitate to attend any event I personally sanction, but I do not see the need to associate my views/beliefs with GLFWDA.



tell the marines to try around valentines day mabey

That would be "Saint Valentine's Day" :lmao:

[Jarhead]

This thread is a tool of discussion only, nothing more.

This thread is not going to lead to a decision to be taken by the Association.

This thread is posted in the General Chatter of the Forum, in that it allows Members and Non-Members to voice an opinion.

Religion and Politics are unique in that they can spark even the mild and timid to voice an opinion. Enjoy the discussion and contemplate what you may do as an individual, for that truly is Freedom of Choice.

I have heard it said that we judge others on how often they agree with ourselves. If someone agrees with me a lot, they therefore much be intelligent. If someone disagrees with me often, they can't really be that smart. I figure in the balance of life I am somewhere in the middle. The discussion is good because it allows insight into what makes us tick.

Let me leave you with this thought:

Love generously, Care deeply, Speak kindly,
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass... It's about learning to dance in the rain!!

[Miffy]

This thread is a tool of discussion only, nothing more.

This thread is not going to lead to a decision to be taken by the Association.

This thread is posted in the General Chatter of the Forum, in that it allows Members and Non-Members to voice an opinion.

Religion and Politics are unique in that they can spark even the mild and timid to voice an opinion. Enjoy the discussion and contemplate what you may do as an individual, for that truly is Freedom of Choice.

I have heard it said that we judge others on how often they agree with ourselves. If someone agrees with me a lot, they therefore much be intelligent. If someone disagrees with me often, they can't really be that smart. I figure in the balance of life I am somewhere in the middle. The discussion is good because it allows insight into what makes us tick.

Let me leave you with this thought:

Love generously, Care deeply, Speak kindly,
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass... It's about learning to dance in the rain!!

Very well said.:thumb: one of the best post I have ever read on the internet.

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

Before this gets ugly, I'll just say that from what I have read, it seems that the general consensus is that GLFWDA should not have its name associated with a religious event.

But if any of the members want to show up for this type of thing, and take part without representing themselves as being part of GLFWDA...so be it. Does anyone see that as a problem? Participate in whatever you want (so long as it's legal).....just don't participate as a representative of GLFWDA.

Am I on everyone's ignore list? Seriously?

This is what I've been saying through this entire thread!

[WhiteRhino]

Am I on everyone's ignore list? Seriously?

This is what I've been saying through this entire thread!

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[oz97tj]

Am I on everyone's ignore list? Seriously?

This is what I've been saying through this entire thread!


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yes and yes.:poke:

[joe_jeep]

That would be "Saint Valentine's Day" :lmao:

hey your right! :thumb: never even crossed my mind?

if i would have said halloween i would have been called a satan worshipper!:lmao:

[T-way]

Hey...I read what you guys posted!! I was just giving Cliff notes!!

:thumb:

[jeepfreak81]

Before this gets ugly, I'll just say that from what I have read, it seems that the general consensus is that GLFWDA should not have its name associated with a religious event.

But if any of the members want to show up for this type of thing, and take part without representing themselves as being part of GLFWDA...so be it. Does anyone see that as a problem? Participate in whatever you want (so long as it's legal).....just don't participate as a representative of GLFWDA.


What if they have a GLFWDA sticker on their rig?

I am not Jewish, but I would consider running a rig in a Jewish parade... Especially if it was a friend, or a friend of a friend that asked. I support my friends.

Then again, I feel that *most* religions are there for a common good.

[Brods]

Interesting subject. Since it deals with GLFWDA members’ thoughts and is potentially addressing GLFWDA policies, shouldn’t it be in the members only section?

As for the question at hand, the purpose of the event should be the main determining factor. If the event is for non-denominational charity or is somehow for the public good and the host of the event is a main stream group (or at least not an extremist group) and there is some positive benefit to GLFWDA, then it should be considered. If not, then as many have already pointed out, each individual should do as they please.

Anytime an individual is in public sporting the GLFWDA logo, regardless of when, where or who they are with, they should always remember to act as they are representing GLFWDA and act appropriately.

[Greenway]

Interesting subject. Since it deals with GLFWDA members’ thoughts and is potentially addressing GLFWDA policies, shouldn’t it be in the members only section?


I think it should be in the public section. It's good for potential members to see this type of discussion to see if they agree with our ways and to help them see if they'll 'fit' as a member. I think this potentially controversial subject has been handled quite well by those who have posted in this thread.

[Miffy]

I think it should be in the public section. It's good for potential members to see this type of discussion to see if they agree with our ways and to help them see if they'll 'fit' as a member. I think this potentially controversial subject has been handled quite well by those who have posted in this thread.

GLFWD is a Association.
meaning:
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The freedom of association stands in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights):
Article 20 (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
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Note: This Wikipedia entry deals with the legal concept legal person. There is an ongoing political debate and controversy in the United States over the extent to which constitutional rights presumed to have been created for natural persons have increasingly been asserted by corporations and other legal persons, popularly referred to as corporate personhood. For more information, see Corporate personhood debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood_debate).

Well guys seems we are not the only group to have this type of controversy.:lmao::lmao:


A legal person, also called juridical person or juristic person,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person#cite_note-0) is a legal entity through which the law allows a group of natural persons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person) to act as if they were a single composite individual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person) for certain purposes, or in some jurisdictions, for a single person to have a separate legal personality other than their own.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person#cite_note-2) This legal fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_fiction) does not mean these entities are human beings, but rather means that the law allows them to act as persons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person) for certain limited purposes—most commonly lawsuits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuit), property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property) ownership, and contracts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract). This concept is separate from and should not be confused with limited liability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability) or the joint stock principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_stock_principle).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person#cite_note-3) Also note that basic rights (like the rights to free speech and due process of law) do not necessarily follow from legal personhood. A legal person is sometimes called an artificial person or legal entity (although the latter is sometimes understood to include natural persons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person) as well). Although the concept of a legal person is more central to Western law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_law) in both common law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law) and civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)) countries, it is also found in virtually every legal system. [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person#cite_note-4)
In England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) and the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), the use of this terminology does not mean that legal persons are considered human beings. It is simply a "technical legal meaning" in which "a 'person' is any subject of legal rights and duties."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person#cite_note-5) Because these entities may have legal rights and duties, they are considered 'legal persons' to distinguish them from natural persons.

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

I think it should be in the public section. It's good for potential members to see this type of discussion to see if they agree with our ways and to help them see if they'll 'fit' as a member. I think this potentially controversial subject has been handled quite well by those who have posted in this thread.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT "OUR" WAYS! THIS IS NOT AN ASSOCIATION DISCUSSION! THIS IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN ASSOCIATION (AND NON-ASSOCIATION) MEMBERS BUT DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE ASSOCIATION AS A WHOLE!


GLFWD is a Association.
meaning:
Voluntary association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association), a group of individuals who voluntarily enter into an agreement to accomplish a purpose



Cliffs notes?

[Jarhead]

:blink: Whoa, all the legalize while discussing Religion. Dare I start another discussion that goes to the words, "In God We Trust"?

[joe_jeep]

:blink: Whoa, all the legalize while discussing Religion. Dare I start another discussion that goes to the words, "In God We Trust"?

Perhaps some members dont even trust him?:poke:

[Greenway]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT "OUR" WAYS! THIS IS NOT AN ASSOCIATION DISCUSSION! THIS IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN ASSOCIATION (AND NON-ASSOCIATION) MEMBERS BUT DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE ASSOCIATION AS A WHOLE!

The 'our ways' I was referring to is the way members of this association and forum can usually discuss potentially controversial subjects without getting their knickers in a snit and flaming each other. We all have different views on just about everything yet we get along fine for the most part. We tend to stay focused on the wheeling aspect and don't ban each other because of differing views. These are what I consider 'our ways'.

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

The 'our ways' I was referring to is the way members of this association and forum can usually discuss potentially controversial subjects without getting their knickers in a snit and flaming each other. We all have different views on just about everything yet we get along fine for the most part. We tend to stay focused on the wheeling aspect and don't ban each other because of differing views. These are what I consider 'our ways'.

Oh, that 'our ways'.....

My intent was not to offend you. My intent was to have my post stand out to reinforce that this was not a discussion about the association's position regarding religious events/activities but rather a personal discussion about it.

p.s. - you're banned :poke:

[joe_jeep]

Oh, that 'our ways'.....

My intent was not to offend you. My intent was to have my post stand out to reinforce that this was not a discussion about the association's position regarding religious events/activities but rather a personal discussion about it.

p.s. - you're banned :poke:


if i have not been banned then you cant get banned from here!:bootyshake:

[Greenway]

No offense taken. :thumb: Since I agreed with what you were saying, I knew there had to be a misunderstanding or miscommunication somewhere.