Spring fling insurance.

[cc]

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[shaker]

So why didn't you just apologize in the other thread.:confused:

Deleting it doesn't mean it didn't happen.:poke:

[RockyTop]

So why didn't you just apologize in the other thread.:confused:

Deleting it doesn't mean it didn't happen.:poke:He apologized.

[shaker]

He apologized.

In a new thread after deleting the original. The question is why?

[RockyTop]

In a new thread after deleting the original. The question is why?

The horse has been put out to pasture for good. If knowing why it was deleted is important, simply PM Kelly.

[shaker]

The horse has been put out to pasture for good. If knowing why it was deleted is important, simply PM Kelly.

I know why it was deleted. It had to much truth in it. Unlike this post thus far. CC is not supposed to have any more power than me. However he claims he deleted the thread not a mod or admin. But I can't delete a thread even if I started it.:confused:


My original post was not necessary, and should not have been posted. I let a post by miffy get the best of me. I think I took her OSTC price thread the wrong way and I'm sorry I started the original thread. I figured I'd start a new one for the one that is now deleted so people understand I removed it instead of a mod or admin here.
thanks.

So I will post some more truth, lets see if this truth lives or if it dies just like on gl4x4. :soap:

[shaker]

First off, a very large book could be written on the injustices performed by cc. So this is just to clarify my story about last years pig gig. And my part in the formation of MW.


A few years ago Yogi asked grandman to host the pig gig at our place. He agreed and the first year we had it here it was a lot of fun. And had little to no trouble. The second year it grew, and with the growth came some issues. Every year it has grown and brought more issues. We decided that it was to big for us to host on our own. So it was giving to the Swamp Stompers last year.

The idea was that the SS could provide better security and take care of a lot of the work so that we could enjoy the event ourselves, a bit more. The SS had people stationed around the course to keep an eye on things.

Last years gig started out rough right off the bat with Jsawdust having the accident on Friday. This was not any ones fault. It was simply an accident, but it kinda put us on edge.

On Saturday night CC had a girlfriend driving his jeep through the course. And he was spotting her on the concrete pile.( our most technical obstacle) He was drinking a beer the entire time. My friend Mike and I were watching at the end of the course as everyone came through. Mike mentioned cc drinking while spotting because he seemed to be doing a bad job of it. I told him that we were not handling security this year, and that BDR (SS member) was right there.

When she was done with the course, she parked the jeep off to the side. CC joined the crowd of spectators to watch other trucks coming through the course. Mike and I heard CC mention that he was trying to get her to roll over while he was spotting her. He said that it would be funny and wouldn't do any real damage.

Mike started getting hot and confronted CC about it.( I felt it was the alcohol talking and being the girl was sober and didn't do anything dumb while driving. I wasn't worried about it.) CC's response was I wasn't driving the course, so whatever. About twenty minutes later CC got in his jeep. (driver's seat) And being Mike was watching him like a hawk, Mike went yelling at CC that he was not going to be driving. CC said I am just going to park it at my campsite. Then BDR stepped in and confronted Mike because Mike was causing a scene with shouting and stomping towards CC. I stepped in with Mike and explained what Mikes issue was. BDR told us that he would take care of it. And assured me that he would not let CC drive.


Less than an hour later Mike and I spotted CC driving his rig through the campground. But were unable to catch up. He left the property. We investigated and found out he went out to go on a trail ride.

Needles to say all this didn't settle well with grandman. He and CC had a talk about it, and I don't know what was all said. But shortly after that in the TWH private forum on gl4x4 site. We were discussing the spring fling. CC came in our private forum and informed us that he would put on an event at the same time. And because he could advertise it on gl4x4 and we couldn't. That everybody would go to his event.


So basically CC tried to make us bow to him, and let the rules go to the way side for him. We didn't bow.

This is my story. There are many more but I hope this helps to clarify my stance with gl4x4 and its owner.

[cc]

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[PeteC]

I won't respond to your other non-sense, but if you go read some of my anti-drinking driving threads on gl4x4, you will find out why I NEVER have, and never will drink and drive, especially on a 4x4 course.. Thats why your accusation is so laughable. But so be it, theres always two sides to one story...




I don't know about the rest of Brian post, but please, enough with these lies.

A couple of years ago, Dickie hosted a party at his house. CC and I were both in attendence. One interesting game played at that party was the use of a breathalyzer on party guests. This was a unit that Dickie used when instructing LEO on it's functions.

What I rememebr from that night is CC blowing way, way over the legal limit. The result was written on a rubber glove and then identified by CC using the name CC. That glove was proudly displayed, I believe, on Dickie's Jeep, or elsewhere in the garage. Shortly after that CC got into his LandRover and left the party. He left quietly so no one would stop him. His keys would have been taken away if our host knew of his intention to drive.

For the record, I was too drunk to drive by the end of that party as well. I arrived later than most so the breathalyzer registered my levels a lot lower than they were at the end of the night. My wife was my designated driver so I was not behind the wheel afterwards.

Why do I bring this up now? Because CC made the claim that he never has and never will drink and drive and called Brian a liar for saying he has and I know that to not be the truth.

As to whether CC drinks and drive now, well, I can not attest to that as I have no personal knowledge. I would hope he does not.

[cc]

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[grandman]

Im not going to bother with multiple post seems you can just delete a thread here as you can on your own board .

I thought this was neutral ground but clearly not .

As your 1st post says , no reason for that thread , you picked a a fight and gave your self another black eye so you just erase the fight .

If you dont drink and wheel then i get to be Santa claus , one fantasy is as fair as the next .

Ill stick to my guns , do to your actions at previous gatherings held at my home you are no longer welcome here at any time for any gathering . I still prefer safty first when it comes to alcohol and wheeling . I too have witnessed you on night runs when alcohol was envolved let alone the pig gig issue . You may get a " do over " on the internet but not in real life .

[cc]

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[grandman]

You are no longer welcome at any gatherings at my house.

Well i have never been there but i acknowledge and accept this statement :thumb:

[cc]

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[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

I know why it was deleted. It had to much truth in it. Unlike this post thus far. CC is not supposed to have any more power than me. However he claims he deleted the thread not a mod or admin. But I can't delete a thread even if I started it.:confused:


So I will post some more truth, lets see if this truth lives or if it dies just like on gl4x4. :soap:


Have you tried to delete your own posts/threads?

As of about an hour ago, GLFWDA members no longer have this ability because I removed it.

Kelly did delete his own thread. Are you going to call me a liar?

There is a discussion right now if we should undelete it or not. On the one hand, a lot of unnecesary drama is gone with the thread. On the other hand, it did happen.

It doesn't really matter if a post is deleted or not, just ask Tim. He went through and edited a lot of his posts just to remove the text in them. That doesn't mean they didn't happen, but he's removed them anyway. What do we do in that case?

GLFWDA IS NOT THE PLACE TO CARRY OUT YOUR DISPUTE BETWEEN GL4X4/MW (THIS GOES BOTH WAYS). THIS IS A COMMON GROUND, NOT A BATTLE GROUND.

JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T POST ON EACH OTHERS BOARDS TO SLING INSULTS DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COME HERE AND DO IT!

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH A COMMON GOAL, NOT WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER TO RIP SOMETHING APART.

[shaker]

.So thats why you hate me?


There was no beer consumption, and I don't understand whats so wrong about trying to put a jeep on its side? I have a 6 point cage with tie-ins and 5 point harnesses. When you go on your side, you plop it back over, laugh, and drive away. The funny thing is, I had minutes before, took the toughest line there, and walked right through it. In fact, its my avatar picture here on GLFWDA. The fact that I had just drove it, I had somebody else drive the exact same line, and we were joking about it going over, which wouldn't have been a big deal if it had happened, but it wasn't going to happen. But sometimes people have a sense of humor, sometimes people joke around, and some times people hold other peoples beer without drinking it.

Maybe if you were really worried about safety, you should have made sure that everybody was wearing their seat belts on the back hills, instead of worrying about a very well equipped jeep playing on some little concrete blocks So you are like Clinton, only you didn't swallow? I have a sense of humor, it just apparently is a lot different then yours.

J sawdust has a nice cage and harnesses as well. And we do the best we can to keep things safe but we are not god. And can not see everything.

I find it really odd that you must bring all of your issues with me over to GLFWDA. You're more then welcome to post any of your problems with me on GL4x4...
Things tend to disappear and never return on gl4x4. I am still hoping that doesn't occur here.


And on a side note, I don't recall Marv talking to me, but he may have. All I remember is a bunch of people asking me why some drunk guy was going off on me for not drinking. lol.

I won't respond to your other non-sense, but if you go read some of my anti-drinking driving threads on gl4x4, you will find out why I NEVER have, and never will drink and drive, especially on a 4x4 course.. Thats why your accusation is so laughable. But so be it, theres always two sides to one story...
I have posted my side from my memory. Everything is accurate, and exactly how I remember it. Again our sense of humor does not align.
This is my last response to you, as I don't have all day to defend myself against false stories

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[shaker]

Have you tried to delete your own posts/threads?

As of about an hour ago, GLFWDA members no longer have this ability because I removed it.Yes I tried last night. Maybe I missed something but I could not find that option anywhere.

Kelly did delete his own thread. Are you going to call me a liar?I would need more evidence to call you anything.

There is a discussion right now if we should undelete it or not. On the one hand, a lot of unnecesary drama is gone with the thread. On the other hand, it did happen.

It doesn't really matter if a post is deleted or not, just ask Tim. He went through and edited a lot of his posts just to remove the text in them. That doesn't mean they didn't happen, but he's removed them anyway. What do we do in that case?Tim also tried to delete those threads of his but was unable too.

GLFWDA IS NOT THE PLACE TO CARRY OUT YOUR DISPUTE BETWEEN GL4X4/MW (THIS GOES BOTH WAYS). THIS IS A COMMON GROUND, NOT A BATTLE GROUND.

JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T POST ON EACH OTHERS BOARDS TO SLING INSULTS DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COME HERE AND DO IT!

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH A COMMON GOAL, NOT WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER TO RIP SOMETHING APART.

I do not want to rip it apart. And the only thing that will rip it apart is if whoever is in charge shows favoritism. Like I have stated before I have not started any of it here. But I will defend my integrity.

[cc]

I do not want to rip it apart. And the only thing that will rip it apart is if whoever is in charge shows favoritism. Like I have stated before I have not started any of it here. But I will defend my integrity.

Shaker, I just looked through every one of your posts, and I have to say that 50 of the 54 that I can see (4 must have been moved to admin land) I can say you have not added one single bit of non-drama to GLFWDA.

I would seriously suggest going back and reading your posts, and you might see what I mean. It can easily be done by clicking on your name then reading "Find more posts by this user".

This is my last post dealing with you on GLFWDA.. If you'd like to continue this in public, please feel free to post on gl4x4, or pm me my password so I can login to MW.

Thanks.

[shaker]

Shaker, I just looked through every one of your posts, and I have to say that 50 of the 54 that I can see (4 must have been moved to admin land) I can say you have not added one single bit of non-drama to GLFWDA.

I would seriously suggest going back and reading your posts, and you might see what I mean. It can easily be done by clicking on your name then reading "Find more posts by this user".

This is my last post dealing with you on GLFWDA.. If you'd like to continue this in public, please feel free to post on gl4x4, or pm me my password so I can login to MW.

Thanks.
I have sent you several pm's now that have not gotten a reply. One about this thread two hours before my first post in it.

Here is one example. You should look a little closer.

Yup, I have been wheeling this area since high school. Shoot me a pm when you are coming up. I could go out with you. Or at the very least you could stop by and I have maps at my shop, That I can give you and show you were to go on.:thumb:

I have a lot of post in drama zones. But I started none of them, I have been following in the direction the forums were already headed in.


As for my other four post they are in the LUC forum. Also none drama constructive post.

[Jeeperz-Creeperz]

I do not want to rip it apart. And the only thing that will rip it apart is if whoever is in charge shows favoritism. Like I have stated before I have not started any of it here. But I will defend my integrity.

I'm not, and never have asked anyone NOT to defend themselves.

The problem is that you defend yourself by attacking (this goes for both sides). Then the other person needs to defend themselves in the same way, which causes you to have to defend yourself again.....

It's just a constant circle. How does it stop?

[shaker]

I'm not, and never have asked anyone NOT to defend themselves.

The problem is that you defend yourself by attacking (this goes for both sides). Then the other person needs to defend themselves in the same way, which causes you to have to defend yourself again.....

It's just a constant circle. How does it stop?

I wish I knew.:ahhh:

[Laurel]

Can't ya'll just put on your big boy/girl panties and deal? Jeebus what a bunch of whiny crybabies...chasing new members away and inciting riots with the rest. :ironman:

I can't stress enough how much I abhor the drama, deal with the situation at hand, base your future decisions off how it was handled but for the love of all that is holy, leave the rest of us out of it.