PIG ROAST 05

[yogi]

does gl want to sponser this.if so i can get a lot of indys to run the show.we could generate over a grand for gl easy we had over 100 jeeps this last year and around 200 peeps


tell me what you think



yogi

[WILMA]

It sounds like alot of fun.

[T-way]

I volunteer to be Master of Ceremonies!!!!!
:D

No.....really.....for real!! I'll do it!!!

[yogi]

you are a master what?? :D


yogi

[wildflower]

Come to the January quarterly and we can talk about it. If you'll come or "someone" who knows about it I'll be happy to put it on the agenda. We're always looking for ways to raise funds for Great Lakes!
Wildflower :rolleyes:

[yogi]

will do.looks like dates will be in the end of july

i plan on the pre run with bruce and will come to quartly after



yogi

[PeteC]

OK, not to be a Kiljoy here, but if GL sponsors the pig roast would that mean the same as sanctioning. And would that make it a GL event. Will that mean that all 160 people who showed this year would have to pay for GL membership, or will the Event membership be used. Not sure how this would work, or how it would go over. Sanctioning would also mean insurance. I am not convinced we would have as big of a turn out if we are now going to have to charge membership, insurance etc.

Just a few things that popped into my head when I read this post.

Of course, I would love to see more GL members at this pig roast since it is a good time. I think they should come regardless. LIke many of us do already.

[yogi]

good question pete i think should let all peeps in an event, and promote gl to them we did get a few to sign up from last year.beleive me we can make a bunch of bucks from the raffle.we made 1300 for mj.and if we get started early enough we can have a great turn out .we will bring this up at jan quarterly and work out something i hope ,other wise ill do it my self again



yogi

[PeteC]

OK, the other question that i have. Will this replace the MJ pig roast? Or will this be in addition to the MJ pig roast? The way I see it, we can not raise funds for both at the same event.

[yogi]

i would make the switch to gl to help the cause .mj has there new gold membership upand going now so mj will be ok.i hope we can have all the mj peeps come just like before .raffle is a raffle peeps will buy tickets to win things for any cause.if we set it up right we can recrute alot of mj faces that weekend all so isnt that what its all about .maybe even put on some 4 wheeling seminars for newbee .winch handling and such make it a hands on weekend.with gl members taking charge and showing who we really are .just some thought if you have anything to add feel free this is open for discussion :)



yogi

[wildflower]

Yogi,
You might want to talk to the trail riders committee. They might be willing to help with 4 wheeling seminars and such. I know a few them are great story tellers anyway.
If i can help just let me know.
Wildflower

[T-way]

Yep....and I also have a public speaking / teaching background!

So I would also be interested in helping to put on the seminars!

Oh....and I'm sure I could help Vic tell some stories too!
:lol:

[yogi]

cool thanks wildflower and t-way this can turn into a 4 wheel outdoor fair :D




yogi

[grandman]

Pete c has some very important questions that need answers first .

I Gurantee that if this became a GL must be a member type event you can cut the numbers in 1/2 .

I dont know what verbaliage to use here . GL sponsored rather then sancitioned ?
This way there is not the forced entry just to attend . GL must earn there interest not force it on them that wish to attend .

I know some one wont like what i said , sorry its true <_<

[WhiteRhino]

Originally posted by grandman@Nov 4 2004, 09:32 PM
Pete c has some very important questions that need answers first .

I Gurantee that if this became a GL must be a member type event you can cut the numbers in 1/2 .

I dont know what verbaliage to use here . GL sponsored rather then sancitioned ?
This way there is not the forced entry just to attend . GL must earn there interest not force it on them that wish to attend .

I know some one wont like what i said , sorry its true <_<
I know Pat is out of town right now. I think that Pat, Marv and Yogi need to have a private conversation to see where this goes. I think that Pat understands the insurance issues better than most.
Just my $.02.

And, I am intersted in attending.

[yogi]

sound good ill contact pat when he returns .hope we can work out a solution to this :D


yogi

[Ironman]

I will have to look into the ins. issue to see if it were a GL sponsered event if we would still ins.

I know for sure that if it were a GL sanctioned event then we would need ins.

I also do not know if the new ins. we are going to get will have the provisions to have an "event" membership. I should be finding out that info soon I hope.

I like the idea of a 4x4 outdoorama type event complete with a safety clinic and seminars with speakers. I know Del Albright has expressed interest in coming to MI and speaking to us and going on a trail ride. Thoughts?

Pat

[SquattingDog]

Insurance or no insurance, for the sake of membership, I really hope this Pig roast is a Go !!!

Sounds like a blast Yogi !! can't wait.

-frank

ps.

screw the insurance.... lets EAT !!!

[kerryann]

I agree with Marv,
I think that it should be sponsored rather than sanctioned.
I think it would be a good time to engage people who are in clubs that left or are upset with GL. I do think that forcing the membership would cut the attendance way down.
On the other hand, even 100 new members for GL is a step in the right direction, but I think this might burn us as many bridges as it builds.

I will come and work the event.

[PeteC]

$10 - Fee for attending the Pig Roast (meal) the past 2 years
$35 - The cost of membership for those that would like to attend but are not part of GL yet.
$??? - The cost for the event once insurance and other GL costs are factored in
I am sorry, but I really feel the need to point out that if this becomes an "Official" GL event, more money will be required to attend. I think we are all kidding ourselves if we think we would get anywhere near the turnout of the past 2 pig roasts that Yogi has put together.

This event has been a success mostly due to the fact that it is a cheap weekend. People are paying $10 for saturday dinner, camping for free and hanging out drinking at night. That is a cheap weekend. That is why it has worked.

It has been a very loosely organized occasion. People decide at the last minute if they can come or not. Young people see if the can pay the bills on Thursday and then decide about attending on Friday.

I am not sure my brother and his son, or my parents would attend if the cost goes up as much as I think they will. My parents have asked about GL membership but I would be embarrased to force it on them just to go up to Marv and Sue's for another pig roast weekend.

I foresee a small event if this becomes GL sanctioned. Just GL members getting together. Yes it would be a great time, but I don't think fund raiser would be a term to fit. Especially without the event fee membership option.

Also has been mentioned that some clubs who have left GL would come. I am not sure I would hold my breath for that. The ones I know want to see other changes before coming back. This will not be accomplished with a pig roast. And they will certainly not pay $35 to attend. One particular club had quite a few people at this years roast. There are other clubs that were represented at the Roast that have not joined GL as clubs because of cost. Do you really think these people will go to the roast again if they have to pay? Forcing people to pay $35 for membership will guarantee people not showing.

Sorry to rant on, but this has been bothering me. I have been to both pig roasts that Yogi has put together for MJ. I think it would be great if GL has a huge presence this next year. A perfect time to talk to people and show them what GL is about. Fund raising for GL at this event is fine with me as well. But expecting these same people to show for a GL Pig Roast I think is far fetched.

Disclaimer: This post was not meant to discourage any participation in said event. It was not meant to hurt anyones feelings. It was not meant to vote again the Pig Roast. It was only meant to express my personal views based on experience with the event and those attending it.

[WhiteRhino]

Unfortunately, I agree with Pete on the $$$$ and also with Pat that he needs to look into insurance.
I think that a GL sanctioned vrs sponsored event is a play on words and probably means the same thing. If GL is involved in any "official" way, I would be willing to bet that the insurance and permit comes in to play.

So, it may be a better approach to let it happen the same way as in the past with the following difference:

I do not think that there would be any legal ramifications if GL were to encourage their members to participate in an event that is hosted by someone else. (just like the northwoods auto show, it was not up to GL to handle any permit and insurance issues) Therefore, several of us GL members show up and attend and hope that we recruit some new members.

And keep in mind, there is nothing wrong with GL offering some type of "donation" to someone else's event.

Thoughts on this???

[PeteC]

There were several of us GL members at this years event. There were brochures available. I even made a rather vocal announcement of the location of said brochures as I signed in for dinner.
We all did our part talking to people and trying to develop interest. What is needed now is for some of the "Big Guns" within GL to show up.
One of the problems I see is that on MJ, everyone already knows who I am, and Bruce and Yogi. These people wheel with us, drink with us, eat wings with us. They see us as just some more wheelers that happen to have a cool yellow sticker on their rigs.
Now I am not trying to stroke anyone ego's here, but having some of the "old timers" hanging with us would go a long way to making a difference. This is where we can get members. People like Pat, T-way, Paul Mulder, Vic, Jim. Some of the people that can really speak to the concerns and questions.
The rest of do what we can. Kerry Ann, Frank, Bruce, Yogi and myself are examples of people who want to make a difference, but we have not been around as long. And the longer you are around, the more versed you become, and the more able you become to speak from the heart. It is the passion that will recruit.
Not to mention just showing up and participating in this kind of event. I have been to several events now and have wheeled with quite a few GL's people. DOA, Trolls Color Tour, Trail maintainance. I have seen quite a few people I know from MJ there. But I have not seen it the other way around as much. To get support, we must show support. Next year, lets get the GL's people to turn out for this. Lets have some fun just as wheeling enthusiasts.

I am rambling and my thought processes are starting to get fuzzy. I will add more of my jumbled thoughts later.

[DJDave]

Thinking of S Words....LOL

Why not "Supported"

GL offers a Speaker or Two.

GL offers a Driving clinic.

GL offers any other support it see's fit.

I'm sure you would at least get a public Thank You from Yogi when he addersses the croud.

Show that GL CARES about the Wheeling Community,And are willing to be involved with groups to help the Wheeling community as a whole, And others will want to be apart of a group that does these things.

The 35 bucks for membership don't seem so bad if they can see some of the good it does.

This years Pig roast was Michigans largest wheeling event, Dwarfing all the others that i know of. GL NOT being there other than a few members on there own was a missed oppertunity in my oppinion.

Besides, it's just a dam good time.

[yogi]

dave you hit the nail on the head.gl needs to come in and meet the wheeling folks that make up most of michugan wheelers and show what we have to offer them .in return you will see numbers increase in membership.
pete is so right to!!! we need the big wigs to show so we have a forse there to promote gls
set up a booth have seminares do hands on wheeling with the masses.come on guys lets GET-R- DONE




YOGI

[Miffy]

I agree with you boys, GL needs to show support to the 4x4groups and not require anyone to join to come to the Pig Roast.

[T-way]

Well folks....I've already posted and said that I'd be more than happy to show up for this!!

And....like I said....I'd be willing to help in any way possible!

I will volunteer to use "THE VOICE" to be Master of Ceremonies, and I'd also LOVE to help put on any type of wheeling seminars that you would like to have! I have an extensive background as a professional public speaker, and can actually be quite entertaining and educational!!

Let me know when and where, and I'll plan on being there!
B)

[yogi]

working on a date right now t-way .
would be glad to have you and other gl big wigs around to show our brothers about great lakes i will contact you soon :D




yogi

[toolmantim]

Originally posted by yogi@Nov 15 2004, 08:16 AM
working on a date right now t-way .
would be glad to have you and other gl big wigs around to show our brothers about great lakes i will contact you soon :D




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I was not a member of GL before pig gig. I was pleased and impressed by yogi and other members "selling" GL at the roast. If I would have had to become a member..probably not been there. imo it's a social event with some wheelin on the side. Keep it casual and social and then we can show what we got to offer.
I might also suggest that we split the proceeds with mj or whomever just so we don't scare the people that have no interest in GLFWDA away.

btw I had interest in joining GL before the hog roast, and I was "sold" at the pig roast. If you roast it they will come. :D

[yogi]

thanks tim you are right we will have a couple of raffles 1 for mj and 1 for gls :D
thanks for joining in this great cause :D





yogi

[T-way]

Hey......this is premature, but I really liked a couple of the phrases that Tool Man Tim used in his post!!

If there are going to be shirts made up for this event, I would suggest calling it the "Pig Gig", and putting the slogan "If You Roast It.....They Will Come" on the back!

:D

[yogi]

hhaha goods idea :P



yogi

[yogi]

this years pig roast will be booked as a pig roast,and 4 wheel clinic.
not a trail ride
it will be all on private land.
if people want to trail ride on state land thats there choice.
pig roast will be paid for by donations

that way great lakes people can get involved and promote gl



yogi

[Roadhouse]

Yogi, thats a good idea, thanks for always thinking :D

[Miffy]

you lay in bed all night thinking don't you! Good thinking Yogi!! :)

[Saharaboy]

Haven't posted in awhile and all this is new to me, but GL getting involved is a great idea. Forcing membership for the pig roast would not allow 160 people to show up in my mind, or having it as a solely off road clinic. My idea would be:

Friday afternoon/evening and early saturday morning be the clinic then have everyone head out on the trail ride that afternoon, that way it won't be considered a solely clinic and will be a fun trail ride with hopefully more people than last year.

Just my 2 cents, I enjoyed going out on the trails as much as I did seeing everyone and we will had private land wheeling also.

[yogi]

just trying to stay under the event permit.you can still ride on the trails iam just not promoting it in my post when it comes out.


yogi

[Timbr Wolf]

If all things promoted are on private land, then no permit is required.

The permit it's self is what requires the insurance.

The title "Pig Gig" is used by one large radio station for an annual event.

Add something to it. Like "4x4 Pig Gig" should distinguish it from others.

I like this idea. Confirm the date and I'll try to make it. Help if I can.

[chevotass]

sounds like good ideas rolling so far to me. keep it cheap and simple and lots of people will come. if you have big $ entry and mail in crap you wont get half the people to come. I might even come this year as long as great lakes is involved and im not totally surrounded by michigan peepers.

[SquattingDog]

Man I can't wait !! I have been called a Pig a few times in my life. I'm not sure why ?

http://www.glfwda.org/forums/uploads/1100875542/gallery_41_1_1101960119.jpg

Also Yogi. The Pig Roast alone is a perfect example of a GL event that is meant to bring members of our sport together to share information. I feel the trail ride is insignificant when compared to the value of the pig roast.


By the way. This is an example of how you can upload images to the GL gallary and then link the pics in ths gl board forum or anywhere else on the web for that matter.

-frank

[yogi]

heres the pig from this years event :P
http://usera.imagecave.com/wizzerp/100_0011.JPG
http://usera.imagecave.com/wizzerp/100_0012.JPG



yogi

[gardavidson]

Yogi any way I can help let me know here to give a hand any way possilbe. :rolleyes:

[yogi]

thanks gary :D



yogi