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kb8ymf
September 12th, 2006, 11:45 AM
DON'T reply and say you get it done for free @ work. I don't care! I want to know retail outlets places that will refill tanks in S.E. Michigan.
j-kb8ymf

Creative Fab
September 12th, 2006, 01:29 PM
From what I found around here the guys that do fire extinguisher refilling will fill your Co2. I go to Freeland when they open their doors first thing in the moring and they do it before heading out in their trucks for the day. Worth a shot looking in the yellow pages for this type of business near you.

WhiteRhino
September 12th, 2006, 01:46 PM
What's wrong with getting it done for free at work? :bootyshake:

kb8ymf
September 12th, 2006, 02:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 12 2006, 01&#58;46 PM) 17471</div>

What&#39;s wrong with getting it done for free at work? :bootyshake:
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You think I put that &#39;I don&#39;t care&#39; comment in there for you? :poke:

So, I got it done @ Wilson Welding, &#036;10 PLUS a hazardous material charge :motz_6: of &#036;4.50.
I know I&#39;m hijacking my own thread, but......
However, the guy at the counter gave me a education on why Nitrogen was better than CO2.
800# in CO2 tank, 2000# in Nitrogen. CO2 is liquid, therefore hard to tell when running out, have to weigh. Nitrogen is pressure reading in tank. CO2 is wet, and therefore could wet things and rust. Not a problem with aluminum rims but steel might be a problem.
Regulator for Nitrogen is more &#036;&#036;.
We now have both....so it&#39;s really doesn&#39;t matter but does anyone have any other thoughts?
j-kb8ymf

mitrail400ex
September 12th, 2006, 03:33 PM
I used nitrogen for years during my days as a paintballer. Pros vs cons of N2 vs CO2?

CO2:
Pros:
Cheap, relatively easy to fill (small tanks up to 30oz)
Cons:
Freezes tanks, lines, etc during rapid release (rapid fire, line break, etc).
Under EXTREMELY fast release, can actually draw liquid into the line and cause problems with regulators/ equipment.

N2:
Pros:
Stable at almost any operable temperature (meaning, if you can stand to work in it, you&#39;ve got an air source)
Still relatively cheap
Can be filled to higher pressures without forced gas-liquid conversion (CO2 under high pressure will turn to a liquid, hense weight versus volume measurement)

Cons:
Harder to find a place that will fill, let alone fill to high pressure. I used 4500psi in an 88ci cylinder for my gun. Cost me roughly &#036;6 to fill it at a field, or usually free with a case of paint (&#036;85).
Equipment is more expensive due to higher pressure.
Tank must be hydrostatically tested every 5 years. &#036;45 and two weeks without a tank. (Considerably more for larger tanks, might have to do it more often too.)

Bult4mud
September 12th, 2006, 03:55 PM
i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds

WhiteRhino
September 12th, 2006, 04:22 PM
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i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds
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What&#39;s a "pond"? :ahhh:

Jarhead
September 12th, 2006, 05:44 PM
How far South East?

http://www.flintwelding.com/home/home.html

They only fill CO2 on Mondays but you can drop off the tank ahead of time. If you drop it off, let me know because I&#39;m going there Monday for my own; I can pick yours up when I get mine.

Oh yeah, the cost was &#036;7.00 last time (I guess I don&#39;t have to pay for the lecture). :lmao:

lgottler
September 12th, 2006, 06:20 PM
I originally posted Wilson Welding, but wasn&#39;t sure if any other location would fill them&#33; Then I asked to have the post deleted&#33;

I&#39;m not too sure what PSI I had my Nitrogen filled to, so it may not be true, but I found that for an equal size tank, the CO2 lasts much longer.

Lucas

Ann Arbor Driveshaft
September 12th, 2006, 08:20 PM
Ann Arbor Welding
10# CO2----&#036;13.00

Fill while you wait untill 3:00 pm

Nvrenuf
September 12th, 2006, 08:36 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lgottler &#064; Sep 12 2006, 06&#58;20 PM) 17500</div>


I&#39;m not too sure what PSI I had my Nitrogen filled to, so it may not be true, but I found that for an equal size tank, the CO2 lasts much longer.

Lucas
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I was told the same thing that CO2 will have a higher volume in a comparable tank. Was also told Nitrogen is used in tires due to being drier. It&#39;s the moisture that causes tires to change pressure with temp changes.

From a manufacters website FAQ

Q: “Why CO2 instead of Nitrogen?”
A: "Volume". CO2 will give you three times the energy of Nitrogen in a given tank size. Having one tank of CO2 is like carrying three tanks of nitrogen. This makes it more economical and means that you’ll have the power when you need it all in one small tank.



Steve

GreyBeard
September 12th, 2006, 09:04 PM
IMHO the reason you get more volume out of the carbon dioxide is because it is stored as a liquid.
That is also the reason it is so much colder when you use it. The phase change from liquid to gas takes a lot of BTUs.
Any gas in a fixed volume (captive) will increase pressure as the temperature is increased. Basic physics.
The authorities that talk about the advantages of nitrogen to fill tires usually say it won&#39;t leak out as fast as air because the oxygen in air will permeate through the tire sidewall faster than nitrogen. This means you can go more months without checking your tire pressure. Not really irrelevant when dropping pressure for the trails and reinflating for the highway.

Evil_E
September 12th, 2006, 09:44 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GreyBeard &#064; Sep 12 2006, 09&#58;04 PM) 17509</div>

IMHO the reason you get more volume out of the carbon dioxide is because it is stored as a liquid.
That is also the reason it is so much colder when you use it. The phase change from liquid to gas takes a lot of BTUs.
Any gas in a fixed volume (captive) will increase pressure as the temperature is increased. Basic physics.
The authorities that talk about the advantages of nitrogen to fill tires usually say it won&#39;t leak out as fast as air because the oxygen in air will permeate through the tire sidewall faster than nitrogen. This means you can go more months without checking your tire pressure. Not really irrelevant when dropping pressure for the trails and reinflating for the highway.
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good point....and I&#39;m not to concerned with the moisture issue....compressed air is usally very high in moisture. Even with a in-line filter...you still get the humidity, they only catch the liquid. SO.........

:ahhh: :ahhh: :ahhh: :ahhh: :ahhh: :ahhh: :WhiteRhino: :WhiteRhino:

Ultimate Air care to chime in?

WhiteRhino
September 13th, 2006, 08:44 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 12 2006, 04&#58;22 PM) 17485</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 12 2006, 03&#58;55 PM) 17481

i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds
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What&#39;s a "pond"? :ahhh:
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Still waiting to hear.............. :poke: :lmao:

Bult4mud
September 13th, 2006, 09:50 AM
WOW JIM ITS A GOOD THING YOUR CUTE CUZ YOUR DUMB :P

A Pond is the metric equivalent to a cubic quart of compressed liquid when stored in a gaseous state under high pressures and when the yahoo on this side of the key board forgets an "U"

:D

Evil_E
September 13th, 2006, 09:54 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 12 2006, 04&#58;22 PM) 17485

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 12 2006, 03&#58;55 PM) 17481

i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds
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What&#39;s a "pond"? :ahhh:
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Still waiting to hear.............. :poke: :lmao:
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Pond-----SoFO terminolgy for a unit of measure, usually weight. Also used to describe a body of water. This word is synominous with the english word "pound", but not the currency definition. In fact, "pond" and "pound" can both be used by a member of SoFO, which word is used, is strickly dependant on the number of adult beverages consumed.
:D :D :D :SoFo2: :SoFo2: :P :P

WhiteRhino
September 13th, 2006, 10:41 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 12 2006, 04&#58;22 PM) 17485

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 12 2006, 03&#58;55 PM) 17481

i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds
[/b]


What&#39;s a "pond"? :ahhh:
[/b][/quote]

Still waiting to hear.............. :poke: :lmao:
[/b][/quote]
Pond-----SoFO terminolgy for a unit of measure, usually weight. Also used to describe a body of water. This word is synominous with the english word "pound", but not the currency definition. In fact, "pond" and "pound" can both be used by a member of SoFO, which word is used, is strickly dependant on the number of adult beverages consumed.
:D :D :D :SoFo2: :SoFo2: :P :P

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OK, now that this has been clarified, What does "strickly" mean? :monkeydance:

Bult4mud
September 13th, 2006, 11:01 AM
wow eric that sounded really smart

spoiledbrat
September 13th, 2006, 11:24 AM
Eastman in Troy --248-585-7850
&#036;18.00 the last time I had my 20lb. Power Tank filled

Jarhead
September 13th, 2006, 11:33 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 13 2006, 11&#58;01 AM) 17544</div>

wow eric that sounded really smart
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SoFO :yourock:

phittie1100
September 13th, 2006, 01:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 13 2006, 09&#58;50 AM) 17536</div>

WOW JIM ITS A GOOD THING YOUR CUTE CUZ YOUR DUMB :P

A Pond is the metric equivalent to a cubic quart of compressed liquid when stored in a gaseous state under high pressures and when the yahoo on this side of the key board forgets an "U"

:D
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For a minute I thought I was watching an old re-run of Cheers - Cliff would be proud :lol:

Evil_E
September 13th, 2006, 07:27 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evil_E &#064; Sep 13 2006, 09&#58;54 AM) 17537

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 13 2006, 08&#58;44 AM) 17528

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 12 2006, 04&#58;22 PM) 17485

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 12 2006, 03&#58;55 PM) 17481

i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds
[/b]


What&#39;s a "pond"? :ahhh:
[/b][/quote]

Still waiting to hear.............. :poke: :lmao:
[/b][/quote]
Pond-----SoFO terminolgy for a unit of measure, usually weight. Also used to describe a body of water. This word is synominous with the english word "pound", but not the currency definition. In fact, "pond" and "pound" can both be used by a member of SoFO, which word is used, is strickly dependant on the number of adult beverages consumed.
:D :D :D :SoFo2: :SoFo2: :P :P

[/b][/quote]

OK, now that this has been clarified, What does "strickly" mean? :monkeydance:
[/b][/quote]

That&#39;s classified information

Creative Fab
September 13th, 2006, 10:22 PM
This post is turning out to be really funny :lmao:


Officially HIJACKED, sorry JM :SoFo2:

WhiteRhino
September 14th, 2006, 08:27 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evil_E &#064; Sep 13 2006, 07&#58;27 PM) 17578</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 13 2006, 10&#58;41 AM) 17538

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evil_E &#064; Sep 13 2006, 09&#58;54 AM) 17537

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 13 2006, 08&#58;44 AM) 17528

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 12 2006, 04&#58;22 PM) 17485

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Sep 12 2006, 03&#58;55 PM) 17481

i get mine at gahagler fire on 8 mile in livonia

10 dollars for 10 ponds
[/b]


What&#39;s a "pond"? :ahhh:
[/b][/quote]

Still waiting to hear.............. :poke: :lmao:
[/b][/quote]
Pond-----SoFO terminolgy for a unit of measure, usually weight. Also used to describe a body of water. This word is synominous with the english word "pound", but not the currency definition. In fact, "pond" and "pound" can both be used by a member of SoFO, which word is used, is strickly dependant on the number of adult beverages consumed.
:D :D :D :SoFo2: :SoFo2: :P :P

[/b][/quote]

OK, now that this has been clarified, What does "strickly" mean? :monkeydance:
[/b][/quote]

That&#39;s classified information
[/b][/quote]



hahahaha

RockyTop
September 15th, 2006, 12:05 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evil_E &#064; Sep 13 2006, 07&#58;27 PM) 17578</div>

That&#39;s classified information[/b]

Yep, we could tell you Rhino, but Ninja Eric would arrive mid-sentence and yeah, you&#39;d never know. :SoFo2:

mytacoma
October 11th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Any welding gas outlet or fire extinguisher service company should be able to fill CO2 tanks. Nitrogen would probably have to be done by a gas supplier rather than the extinguisher company (unless you have a friend in the business since most fire extinguishers are pressurized with nitrogen) but it still should be fairly easy to find a place to get either one filled. The hydrostatic test requirement will be the same with either cylinder (5 years) but since CO2&#39;s are more common you can probably just rent them or swap them at the welding supply house.

I wonder what affect the extreme cold from CO2 being discharged into your tire has but, I really don&#39;t think CO2 has any more moisture than nitrogen although I do believe nitrogen is more stable given that CO2 pressures fluctuate as the outside temperature changes. Just my 2¢