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joe_jeep
September 4th, 2006, 10:02 PM
im looking to trade my f250 on a f450 or f550. id like a flat bed long enuff and wide enuff to drive a jeep on to. think its possible?? how much wheel base do u think i would need?? how much cab to axle length. looking for super cab, not crew cab, in a 4x4 diesel stick. think it would be too tall with a fairly large jeep on the flat bed?? any ideas?? my f250 with my slide in truck camper is totally maxed out and then some, when towing my jeep on a carhauler. (way over gvcw)so i was thinking of a drive on flat bed towing a travel trailer.

WhiteRhino
September 5th, 2006, 06:31 AM
Don't know much about those rigs but seems like alot of money just to haul a jeep. Is it really that overweight behind your F250? I see alot of people towing like that...........\

Which engine do you have?

95geo
September 5th, 2006, 07:30 AM
sounds like you want a motorhome, you can get one in a medium duty version with the topkick/kodiak nose, class c style

GerkTJ
September 5th, 2006, 09:13 AM
Just looked at a new class c kodiak this past weekend. just what the doctor ordered for pulling a jeep. now if I just had the extra $90,000 it would be in my driveway!!!

joe_jeep
September 5th, 2006, 11:59 PM
my f250 has the v10 and will pull it! but its way over weight.
truck is about 6700lbs camper about 2500lbs jeep on a trailer about 5500lbs looks like about 14500 to 15000 lbs.
max gvcw is 11500lbs. an f450 or f550 is not much more than a regular truck, but i gotta pay to have the bed made. might not be worth it but sure seems like the way to go. and the wife wants a bigger camper. i thought motorhome also? but most class c's are rated to tow 3500 lbs cause of the frame extensions. i know it works also but its not quite kosher either. just an idea?

95geo
September 6th, 2006, 08:31 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Sep 5 2006, 11&#58;59 PM) 17231</div>

my f250 has the v10 and will pull it&#33; but its way over weight.
truck is about 6700lbs camper about 2500lbs jeep on a trailer about 5500lbs looks like about 14500 to 15000 lbs.
max gvcw is 11500lbs. an f450 or f550 is not much more than a regular truck, but i gotta pay to have the bed made. might not be worth it but sure seems like the way to go. and the wife wants a bigger camper. i thought motorhome also? but most class c&#39;s are rated to tow 3500 lbs cause of the frame extensions. i know it works also but its not quite kosher either. just an idea?
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they pretty much all have frame extensions, my dad and jim k have 30ish foot class a&#39;s and tow about 6k with the trailer. both have v10s on i think an f450 chassis. a used 30 footer can be had for about the same as a new pickup.

WhiteRhino
September 6th, 2006, 09:30 AM
My GVCW on my class A is over 26,000 lbs. GVW on the vehicle alone is 18,000 lbs. That means if the vehicle is fully loaded, the trailer weight is 8,000 lbs without being over spec.

The kicker is that none of the trailer hitches are rated for that so you need to beef up the trailer hitch. And I check out my frame & welds on a regular basis.

And you are light on your estimation of Jeep and trailer. My YJ fully loaded with tools, spare, spare gas, chainsaw and gear weighed in at 4600 lbs on the race scales. A flat bed trailer is 2,000 lbs give or take. Add in a spare tire on the trailer and a tool box and you are at 7,000 easy.

joe_jeep
September 6th, 2006, 09:03 PM
ya id believe 7000lbs for trailer and jeep. alot of class a&#39;s are a work horse chassis or what is refferd to as a p series. much heavier duty than a standard class c on an e series chassis.
if i go motor home i lose the 4x4 option on my tow rig, that hurts.

Roadhouse
September 6th, 2006, 10:45 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 6 2006, 09&#58;30 AM) 17242</div>



A flat bed trailer is 2,000 lbs give or take.
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Interesting, I&#39;ve heard a few people mention their car hauler only weighed 1000-1500lbs.

kb8ymf
September 6th, 2006, 11:14 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Roadhouse &#064; Sep 6 2006, 10&#58;45 PM) 17286</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino &#064; Sep 6 2006, 09&#58;30 AM) 17242



A flat bed trailer is 2,000 lbs give or take.
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Interesting, I&#39;ve heard a few people mention their car hauler only weighed 1000-1500lbs.
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Sure a short trailer, 12 foot or so, no decking, no spare, no ramps, no tie downs, no hooks, no tongue jack.
Bryces is 16ft, and is titled @ 1700# no spare but is complete with ramps other than that.
j-kb8ymf

WhiteRhino
September 7th, 2006, 09:10 AM
My 18&#39; beavertail that I sold Lucas was titled at 1800 plus. Don&#39;t remember the exact weight. Since I am selling my enclosed trailer, I stopped at a couple trailer stores recently. Both of their 18 footers were over 2000 lbs.

In addition, my 24&#39; enclosed trailer is titled at 2800 lbs. Both dealers called B/S on that and said there is not an enclosed trailer on the market that goes for less than 3500 lbs.

I also looked at a 16&#39; aluminum trailer. 1200 lbs and &#036;6000. Ouch&#33;

Renegade II
September 7th, 2006, 12:39 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Sep 4 2006, 10&#58;02 PM) 17192</div>

im looking to trade my f250 on a f450 or f550. id like a flat bed long enuff and wide enuff to drive a jeep on to. think its possible?? how much wheel base do u think i would need?? how much cab to axle length. looking for super cab, not crew cab, in a 4x4 diesel stick. think it would be too tall with a fairly large jeep on the flat bed?? any ideas?? my f250 with my slide in truck camper is totally maxed out and then some, when towing my jeep on a carhauler. (way over gvcw)so i was thinking of a drive on flat bed towing a travel trailer.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Sep 6 2006, 09&#58;03 PM) 17281</div>

...........................if i go motor home i lose the 4x4 option on my tow rig, that hurts.
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Being that it sounds like you were going to dump the camper anyway.......other than the manual trans this would work for you. Plus it has lots of storage and you can sleep comfortably in it. The early to mid 90&#39;s models can be had for a somewhat reasonable price.
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95geo
September 7th, 2006, 01:05 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Renegade II &#064; Sep 7 2006, 12&#58;39 PM) 17310</div>


Being that it sounds like you were going to dump the camper anyway.......other than the manual trans this would work for you. Plus it has lots of storage and you can sleep comfortably in it. The early to mid 90&#39;s models can be had for a somewhat reasonable price.
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cool tow rig, yes&#33;
ultimate tow rig, far from it.

the 6.5s are way too under powered and i dont like the idea of inboard brakes with a bunch of extra weight in tow.

theres 2 ways you can go, tow rig or camp/tow rig

have you just thought about an f350 diesel dually to sling your current setup onto, they have a crazy high GCWR

lgottler
September 7th, 2006, 01:40 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Renegade II &#064; Sep 7 2006, 12&#58;39 PM) 17310</div>



Being that it sounds like you were going to dump the camper anyway.......other than the manual trans this would work for you. Plus it has lots of storage and you can sleep comfortably in it. The early to mid 90&#39;s models can be had for a somewhat reasonable price.
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I like this setup, cuz you have your emergency extraction vehicle part of the whole setup&#33; My suburban does the same thing as that, a bit more length, not as wide, but it would get stuck in its shadow&#33;

Lucas

Renegade II
September 7th, 2006, 01:54 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(95geo &#064; Sep 7 2006, 01&#58;05 PM) 17315</div>

cool tow rig, yes&#33;
ultimate tow rig, far from it.

the 6.5s are way too under powered and i dont like the idea of inboard brakes with a bunch of extra weight in tow.

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Oh ye of little faith. The 6.5 TD works just fine for towing and going the legal speed limit when the vehicle it&#39;s in is properly geared. In many years of dealing with the military and now civie models I&#39;ve never heard of anyone having a towing related failure of a CV joint/shaft.

Besides trailer brakes are required on trailers over 3k GW and the speed limit with a two axle trailer is 55MPH (until November) :poke: :)

Edit: As a side note, I was able to pull that trailer a half mile back through deep mud and ruts onto a friends property to recover a vehicle that broke it&#39;s entire front knuckle off. No cable was strung to get in or out :-)

joe_jeep
September 8th, 2006, 11:53 PM
i thought about the dually idea, but my camper is made for a short bed. i know ford makes a shortbed dually now too, but its very rare and pretty pricey from what ive seen used for sale. the wife wants more room in the camper. my truck camper is only 1 year old it works perfect for the two of us, but more room would be nice. found a 2003 or 2004 f550 4x4 real long wheel base, diesel stick crew cab, said 24995.00 on window. unsure how many miles though. gotta go look closer.
looks pretty plain jane, manual windows, locks, am fm radio, had ac though, plain white steel wheels, snow tires, cab chassis no bed. looks like it would pull anything&#33;&#33; im not sure though. sure seems like a sweet way to go.