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September 11th, 2013, 01:06 PM
Today, we remember 9/11. A day that forever changed our country.

Here I would like you to consider the consequenses of 9/11.

It is far from comprehensive, only a few thoughts that have been rattling around in my head. I do not claim to have all the facts or any insight to who thought what and why. These are my opinions only. Disagree all you want, I just want you to think about it.

This post is all about control of the masses. There are many way ways to control people. The main avenues are force, trickery and guilt. Armies and police states use force. Politicians and lawyers use trickery through convoluted language. And religions use guilt and promises of rewards in the afterlife.

Also involved in the trickery is the mass media. The way a story is told, even if the facts are correct, can influence how you view that story. Two different stories give two different meanings to the same event. Most of the news we hear in the mainstream media is so biased it is nearly useless. Very few people know the actual causes for the attacks that occured on 9/11, but many people do have an opinion on it. There is no doubt in my mind, much of that opinion was a result of trickery. Some are based on official stories from the government or the opinions of trusted friends. Unfortunately many people's opinion just parrots some loudmouth talking head on a TV 'news' show.

I always try to read between the lines. I strive to see history in a way that makes sense to me. Things dont always make sense, but usually they do.

Anyway, heres my take on 9/11.

Someone or some group with great influence decided that the US needed to be spanked. I don't know if it was the result of religious competition, business competition, perceived injustice for real or imagined acts, or merely a power grab. This leader found a willing and easily influenced group of religious fanatics over in the middle east. He used the group's religious leaders to convince them that the US was the Great Satan. (Funny how every group demonizes their enemy) So, they hatched a plan to deliver an asymmetrical attack on the US. They hoped to disrupt our lives by attacking the symbols of American power. The White House, The Twin Towers in New York, and The Pentagon.

It was a pretty good plan for a handful of people to deliver a great blow to so many more. A good ratio, so to speak.

So, the attacks were successful. 3 of the 4 planes hit their targets. They orchestrated a successful attack on the mainland US. The leader saw every thing that he had caused, and behold, it was very good.

The US, knowing it had to hit back hard, poked around to find the source of the attack. They eventually identified and blamed groups called The Taliban and al Qaeda . They were located in the middle east and were very influential in Afganistan and Pakistan. When asked to help eradicate the Taliban in their country, the Afgans refused. So we laid waste to their country for supporting the groups that opposed us.

Pakistan was wiser in their response and agreed to help eliminate the Taliban and al Qaeda in their country. I don't know if they actually helped or not. If they did, they seemed pretty ineffective. Anyway, they had nukes and we really did not to go to war with Pakistan, so, Pakistan's cooperation was the official story.

Not being one to pass up a good crisis, the US decided to take care of another problem in the region, Saddam Hussein. My guess is that he wasn't playing ball correctly on the oil market and they wanted to make an example of him. So, they implied he was a terrorist out to get the US and had more weapons of mass destruction to use on us and our allies (Israel). I wondered if the US supplied those weapons when Iraq was fighting Iran. If all went well, we could end up with his oil too. You know - spoils of war. Running scared at the time, the American people bought it. Besides, it would be nice to have all that oil. We then laid waste to Iraq.

Strangely, the Vice President's former company, Halliburton, got stinking rich rebuilding Iraq in automatic no-bid contracts.

More than a decade later, we are still have military in both countries. We have lost many thousands of American lives . Men and women that joined the military to protect this country. We must add these to the people that lost their lives in the initial attack on 9/11 and because of the subsequent rescue and cleanup operations. Nor can we forget the innocent civilians of Iraq and Afganistan who have died or had their lives ruined by the wars.

Our government has used the crisis and the subsequent panic to curtail many of our civil liberties and to spy on our own citizens in the name of protecting us. The financial cost of the ongoing wars and spying is pushing the American economy towards bankruptcy. Unless our political leaders do something drastic soon to greatly reduce spending and pay off debts without just printing the money to do it, our country will be bankrupt.

The Taliban and al Qaeda will have won. A handful of people will have controlled millions.

September 11th, 2013, 01:54 PM
As much as I hate what you are saying, I have to concede it's pretty accurate. Especially that a few of those assholes destroyed our way of life..... forever.
I recently got detained in Detroit because I refused to say why I was flying to St. Louis. Somehow, my saying who I was going to visit had some type of impact on the safety of the flight I was getting on.:rolleyes: Our personal 4th amendments freedoms have been destroyed.

September 11th, 2013, 05:11 PM
I think we continue to fuel the fire with the help of our national media outlets. While it was tragic that so many people lost their lives on 9/11, and while I agree that a memorial or even a remembrance on the one year anniversary date and maybe the 10 yr anniversary date are appropriate, every year there are long, drawn out and well-publicized memorial services in several parts of the country. We all miss my grandmother, but the whole family doesn't get together for a formal ceremony every year. Our nation continues to wear its heart on its sleeve, showing all of the bad guys just how soft and emotionally weak we can be if you poke us hard enough. Nothing like encouraging more of the same, you know?

September 21st, 2013, 07:46 PM
My concern...if we don't remember 9/11 then it will also go by the way...the same as 12/7...and the rest of our history that does not get taught in schools any more. These and others are important days in our history that must be remembered and discussed...and more importantly that we learn from them and don't repeat them.

September 23rd, 2013, 09:06 AM
There are many things I question about the things I did in serving twenty-two years. One thing has never changed, I was glad to go to a place far from home, knowing my family was safe and far from harm.

Visiting a third world country pulls at the heart strings of every American that visits; one cannot witness the poverty and devastation without being impacted.

Having to serve in a war torn country tears at your every fiber; one tries to make sense of things that make no sense. Our young men and women not only serve once, but find themselves returning time and again because we keep our military numbers low so their 3% of the national deficit does not upset the 11% our congressional and senate members require after having served but one term in which they are entitled to life time benefits.

As much as it pains me to have my sons and a daughter-in-law go in harmís way, I am glad their families are home safe and far from harm.

While my internal rage could say so much more, I defer that anyone regardless of their reasoning understand bringing harm to my family would bring my desire for what my Bible has taught:

Exodus 21:23-25
King James Version (KJV)
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

There is no room in war for politics or the news media...