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Jarhead
February 5th, 2013, 12:37 PM
The following is an excerpt I received from an email yesterday:

Since we last spoke, our research team has made some changes in our approach to the study and will not be surveying clubs at this time.

As I mentioned in our initial conversation, our primary source of survey respondents for the study will come from the DNRís database of people who registered their ORVs in Michigan. Because we werenít sure how thorough that list would be until we received it, our back-up plan was to consider using ORV club members for our study. However, now that we have the list from the DNR, weíve realized itís a better fit for this particular study than surveying clubs for the following reasons:

∑ It includes over 100,000 names, all with consistent contact information broken out by county (we want to make sure we get good representation from certain counties and out of state areas we think people would most likely travel from to a park in SE Michigan).

∑ It includes very casual ORV users as well as more invested ones (people who join clubs are presumably more invested in ORV use than those who arenít)

∑ From a research methods perspective, itís better to draw a sample from one population (in this case registered ORV users) rather than from multiple populations (each of the clubs that were willing to participate).

∑ We were concerned about the chance of someone getting the survey twice (once from the club and once from the DNR list).

There is a chance that later this spring or summer, we will want to conduct a follow-up study to this one with club members.

Coyote Red
February 5th, 2013, 02:12 PM
I can't say that I blame them for wanting to change the survey population to one that is larger and more diverse. I am glad to see that this idea is still alive and not shot down.

MattS
February 5th, 2013, 07:35 PM
Cool, thanks for the update Bob! I too am glad this idea is still alive an kicking.:woot:

sumpter1
February 9th, 2013, 11:37 PM
Thanks for the update.

TWEAK
February 11th, 2013, 10:15 PM
Thanks for the update and glad to hear that progress is being made. Do you know what format they are targeting for the survey? Electronic or Paper? I get surveys yearly from the DNR and they all seem to be different formats and styles (1 for whitetail, 1 for turkey, 1 for fishing, 1 for camping). Guess I am one of the lucky ones on their list, or they just target me because I actually respond. :thumb:

Jarhead
February 12th, 2013, 08:56 AM
Thanks for the update and glad to hear that progress is being made. Do you know what format they are targeting for the survey? Electronic or Paper? I get surveys yearly from the DNR and they all seem to be different formats and styles (1 for whitetail, 1 for turkey, 1 for fishing, 1 for camping). Guess I am one of the lucky ones on their list, or they just target me because I actually respond. :thumb:

You may be one of the "lucky one's" if you buy your licenses on-line as that is where they have derived their data-pool to survey. For those of us that purchased our 2012 ORV Permit via the Michigan e-License web site, we are in the data-pool. How they focus or determine exactly which counties will be targeted, I do not know. The intent is to do both mailings and e-mails to gauge which method renders a better total response.

Renegade II
February 13th, 2013, 04:26 PM
Maybe that's why I've been getting hammered with DNR & MSU studies? For the last 3-4 years I've bought all my stuff online.

WhiteRhino
February 13th, 2013, 07:32 PM
Maybe that's why I've been getting hammered with DNR & MSU studies? For the last 3-4 years I've bought all my stuff online.

Naw, they're just trying to get info from people who are mall crawlers.:bootyshake:

fishyOO7
March 14th, 2013, 10:17 AM
I did the survey yesterday. It had some good questions. I like that they are asking. Hopefully something will come out of it.

WhiteRhino
March 14th, 2013, 07:29 PM
Riding 100 miles per day cross country is different than a scramble area.

hemrides
March 14th, 2013, 08:26 PM
Have there been any rumors to where this park will be located? Any counties mentioned?

Thanks,
Dave

WhiteRhino
March 15th, 2013, 05:47 AM
I think they are still looking for property and part of it will be based on the survey results as to what to look for. No point in looking for a mud pit if the poll shows everyone wanting sand, or vice versa.......

Jarhead
March 15th, 2013, 08:32 AM
Have there been any rumors to where this park will be located? Any counties mentioned?

Thanks,
Dave

Oakland County has commissioned MSU to conduct this Survey; they have a couple of different parcels in mind, the largest of which is 1100 acres.

Alboy79
March 15th, 2013, 09:59 AM
the largest of which is 1100 acres.

Considering the badlands is only 800, I'd say that's a fair sized chunk of land:thumb:

hemrides
March 15th, 2013, 10:06 AM
I pity the folks that live near it.. I know that's not a popular comment here. I heard a few years back that some of the old gravel pit just north of Oxford was being looked at...probably just rumor.

Thanks

Dave

mrycar
March 15th, 2013, 10:16 AM
I heard a similar rumor about Oxford.

WhiteRhino
March 15th, 2013, 12:31 PM
I doubt it would be the old gravel pit as there is alot of high end development nearby.

I don't get the comment about pitying neighbors. Why? Why is this any differnet than my parents living right down the road from Pine Knob & listening to every concert when they sit on their back deck or have to deal with the traffic every summer night? Or people who live in Oakland county who have to listen to boats on the nearby lakes all summer long? Or the people who live near the Waterford racetrack who hear the race cars every weekend? Not to mention my friend's son who just bought a house backing up to Indian Springs Metropark where they just came in through the vacant lot next door and put in a full blown gravel road and put in the oil well directly behind his house.

Bottom line, you can't control what is beyond your property line. Deal with it.

CheapthrillB2
March 15th, 2013, 01:16 PM
I lol at the people that buy a house near a racetrack or similar, then complain about the noise. It was there before you moved in, but yet that never stops them from complaining and trying to shut it down. See it all the time all over. I think Kalamazoo speedway is going through that right now.

StingRay66
March 15th, 2013, 01:31 PM
I used to live on White Lk Rd at the north end of Indian Springs, it's about 4 miles from Pontiac Oakland airport and a certain times of the day the noise from the jets coming and going was almost unbearable.......I have been wondering if they are looking at Pontiac Lk Rec area for the orv park? there used to be a lot of people running snowmobiles, quads and bikes out in that area (before 2000 )

Alboy79
March 15th, 2013, 02:48 PM
I'll be happy wherever it is. Just one more place to go visit.

TWEAK
March 15th, 2013, 03:48 PM
Have there been any rumors to where this park will be located? Any counties mentioned?

Thanks,
Dave

I was at the ORVAW meeting last week and one of the managers of the county parks & rec was there to present what they were working on and showed where they were targeting to put the park. They have put a lot of thought into the location and I think that it would be a great area. I don't think that the news of the location is available for public knowledge at this time so I won't post it here, but the location is proposed to have 10 miles of ORV trails developed there. :thumb:

hemrides
March 15th, 2013, 08:26 PM
I hope it is not Pontiac Lake. I spend many hours there hunting and hiking. They do allow snow machines to run there with 4 or more inches of snow. Legal bikes and ATVs have not been allowed there for many years. When I was a teen we ran our motocycles on this property, but we were told then that we could get tickets if caught...that was the late 60s and early 70s. That area also has horse trails as well as a very good mountain bike trail.

sumpter1
March 17th, 2013, 09:29 PM
One of the properties being considered is a large gravel pit just outside of Oxford.

hemrides
March 18th, 2013, 06:51 AM
I have not been to any of the parks, do they regulate noise of the machines?

Rocky
March 18th, 2013, 10:35 AM
I have not been to any of the parks, do they regulate noise of the machines?
Yes, they do. The Mounds and Silver Lake Sand dunes follow Michigan DB sound levels [ 94 db limit ] for Dirt Bikes & ATVs.

Dave, how you been my long lost friend?

Bill Gilbert-DIRECTOR
Mich ORV Safety Assoc

hemrides
March 18th, 2013, 05:02 PM
Hi Bill,

I remember the dunes had the restrictions back in the late 70's. I didn't know if the private parks had the same rules.

Life is good here. I sent you a PM.

Dave

Rocky
March 18th, 2013, 06:32 PM
Got it Dave, sent you PM back.

Bill

WhiteRhino
March 18th, 2013, 09:51 PM
To my knowledge, none of the private Michigan parks monitor noise. However, the park in this discussion will be a guberment park so we should expect noise restrictions. (which is a good thing)

hemrides
March 19th, 2013, 06:17 PM
I agree the noise limit will be good. If they choose the area near Oxford that will be a great place to drive. My grandparents lived off the Oakwood road and we would take our buggies back in there on Sunday's. There were some very deep holes you could get into. The best part were the small deep lakes that formed. It was great to jump in on a hot summer day. Those were the days when the Oakland County Sherrif would wave at you on the county roads as long as you were minding your P&Qs. I bet that wouldn't happen today.

Dave

StingRay66
March 19th, 2013, 07:24 PM
A few years ago a friend of mine who has a cabin at Silver Lake said the DNR tried to resrict entry with noise testing but they found that a stock GM pickup has too loud to pass so the testing ended....(This is according to my friend) not sure if it is true

WhiteRhino
March 19th, 2013, 08:09 PM
A few years ago a friend of mine who has a cabin at Silver Lake said the DNR tried to resrict entry with noise testing but they found that a stock GM pickup has too loud to pass so the testing ended....(This is according to my friend) not sure if it is true

Not true. GLFWDA was involved in the original sound testing criteria. Jim Mazzola and Pat Kinne spent almost every weekend at the dunes for an entire year working directly with the DNR. The DNR is still doing sound checks.

phittie1100
March 20th, 2013, 11:13 AM
I have been held up at the security checkpoint once or twice while they checked bikes or quads heading in.

silver fox
March 31st, 2013, 07:35 PM
I took the survey 4or5 weeks ago.

phittie1100
July 23rd, 2013, 08:51 AM
Bumping an old thread - Two planning meetings are scheduled as follows:

Thursday, July 25th @ 6:30pm
Thursday, Aug 1st @ 6:30pm

The first has already come and gone. Stealing words of wisdom from others:

From Tweak:

That's why they need some input! You can see from the list of stuff they have a lot of sports they are trying to please and I think that it is critical that they understand what the public wants.

I know that there have been a lot of gripes in the past that there is no where in SE Michigan to wheel - this is YOUR chance to voice your opinion and see what the plan is. The more folks that show to represent the sport will help show the demand for the park in the area.

If you live in the area close to the park or think you would use this then I encourage you to make it to one of the three dates at the Oxford Village Municipal Complex (22. W. Burdick St.).

From Whiterhino:

The word I received is for the July 25th meeting.

It would be great if we had a large turnout. The best way to do this is to dress clean and professional and any comments be made in a very polite manner. Unfortunately our sport has the image of the BDMT's and hilljacks running around drinking beer and acting stupid. Instead, we want to show a diverse group of people from all walks of life and incomes that enjoy this as a sport and a hobby. We want to let the locals know that we will spend money in the area and also respect their town.

More discussion and more specific info here: http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=264563

WhiteRhino
July 23rd, 2013, 12:56 PM
Thanks for bumping Paul. I actually logged on here at lunch to do the same thing.

Let's get a good turnout!!!

phittie1100
July 29th, 2013, 03:05 PM
Bump - please remember there is one more planning meeting scheduled for this week, Thursday 8/1/13 at 6:30pm at the same location (Oxford Twp muni center). If you live in the area, or know someone that does, please make an effort to attend so your voice can be heard, there was a fairly sizable block of local residents who are in favor of a park as long as it has nothing to do with ORV recreation.

phittie1100
August 2nd, 2013, 04:12 PM
For those that missed it, the meeting 8/1 was more of a wrap-up - the architects and county parks people presented their final proposal based on the input they had received up to that point. The ORV area (a required element) got trimmed up a bit; it will include 3 miles of trails rated easy, medium and difficult, and there is still a possibility for the addition of more challenge areas in an area adjacent to the currently designated ORV area. If you are interested in the non-ORV aspects of the proposal, please visit http://www.destinationoakland.com/parkplanning/Pages/Adventure-Recreation-Park-Concept.aspx for more details. If you want to comment on the proposal, go to http://ocparks.polldaddy.com/s/public-comment-adventure-park-concept.

Next step will be Aug 13-14 public hearings on the proposal, in preparation for a planned September vote by local city council (or eq). Once we get more information we will post it.

hemrides
August 2nd, 2013, 06:03 PM
How large is the blue area for ORV?

WhiteRhino
August 3rd, 2013, 05:14 AM
More than 200 acres

hemrides
August 3rd, 2013, 09:54 AM
Are the residents in attendance in favor of the park??

WhiteRhino
August 3rd, 2013, 10:35 AM
no

hemrides
August 3rd, 2013, 04:41 PM
Well...I guess that's to be expected. Are they against the entire park or just the ORV??

phittie1100
August 14th, 2013, 11:31 PM
For those not following the thread on GL4x4 the Oxford Twp board voted to not even go forward with any testing for sound levels, so this project is dead on arrival.

Sent from my electronic tether

WhiteRhino
August 15th, 2013, 04:16 AM
I doubt it would be the old gravel pit as there is alot of high end development nearby.

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look at the date.....just sayin...............

hemrides
August 15th, 2013, 06:04 PM
I had the same comments when the location was announced. I will be honest, if I lived in that area I would not want the ORV. The rest of the park sounded nice. I am surprised that folks would not want the horse, mountain bikes, etc. there. I assume there was no property available on the north end of the gravel pit?

Dave

phittie1100
August 16th, 2013, 02:06 PM
There was no option for adopting the non-ORV features of the park. OCPR intended to use a grant from the MNRTF to obtain the property specifically to build an ORV park to satisfy an legislative directive from 1981. The catch is the state authorized the establishment of the ORV area, but also required that it be done in cooperation with a local unit of government. Unfortunately there are not a lot of undeveloped areas in Oakland County, and they are the only local unit of government in 30 years to step forward and try to complete the project.

hemrides
August 17th, 2013, 01:05 PM
Thanks for the details Paul. It is interesting how the government will set things up so it's all or nothing, if I understand your comments.