swamper sx ??

[joe_jeep]

any of u guys running swamper sx's im looking for comments on there performance i want a set and wanted tio hear opinions thx

[WhiteRhino]

Ironman has a set of 38.5's for sale. He loves them but is changing again.

[Creative Fab]

I like the SX's alot but I want to try some Iroks!

I have had 2 sets of them and they were both on beadlocks and unbalanced. The 36" set wasnt to bad but the 38's could use some shaving to balance them on the locked rims!

What size are you considering?

[95geo]

i went from sx's to iroks and im happy with the switch, keep in mind the 37's measure small and the 36's measure tall

[joe_jeep]

im thinkin 14.5/38.5/15, and i dont balance tires over 35 in tall. i thought about iroks, they look cool but im not sure i wanna go 39.5in and 37 is too small. really the sx is one of the few tires in the size i want, and i know there a tough carcass. plus its a swamper!!! i like mud!! thought about a 12/38/15 tsl but i think the 14.5 width will give some flotation on top of sand snow and mud the 12.5 might not offer. im not quite in the market yet, but what u lookin to get for the 38.5 sx's

[95geo]

ironman has 38x12.5x15's and they mesure 37.0 tall and about 13.5 wide with 10" tread width, not quite the size of the 38.5's

[Creative Fab]

yea, what he said

And I am going to try and balance these by having them shaved. When I am running the roads with the CJ I have death wobble due to a very out of balance front left tire. So when I rotate them (have to with rear spool) that tire makes it's way back to the front left and the death wobble is back. It is actually 2 of the tires that do this but one is worse than the other! My 36'"sx's did not have any issues, I could run 60 down the highway no problem.

You will not notice any difference in traction or floatation between the 12.50 and the 14, I built another Jeep with the 38.5x14 SX's and we wheeled together every trip for a year and there was no difference at all. Except he broke more front joints and shafts, we think it was due to the extra weight of the larger tire on the same D44 front that I was running. His tire was significantly heavier than mine.

[joe_jeep]

i can see the weight would be an issue, are the iroks much lighter?? and i heard the 38.5 measured bout 38.4 on a rim aired up. but the 38 only measured 37?? or so i heard. i wonder what a 39.5 irok measures aired up ??
i like the looks of an irok, isnt the carcass of an sx much heavier duty???

i had the same balance problems with a 33 in swamper tsl. i dismounted the tire spun it bout 90 degrees on the rim and remouinted it and solved most of the problem. i think my ar767 rim was a p.o.s. hate to shave rubber off a tire!!

[95geo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Feb 14 2006, 07&#58;23 AM) 10359</div>

aired up. but the 38 only measured 37?? or so i heard. i wonder what a 39.5 irok measures aired up ??
i like the looks of an irok, isnt the carcass of an sx much heavier duty???
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37x14x17 bias irok 72lbs
38x12.5x15 sx 85lbs
39.5x13.5x17 irok 85lbs
i think the 38.5 is something like 89lbs but dont quote me on that

the sx and irok have pretty much the same carcas except the sx has more side lugs.... you might want to check the ply ratings to make sure though


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Feb 14 2006, 07&#58;23 AM) 10359

aired up. but the 38 only measured 37?? or so i heard. i wonder what a 39.5 irok measures aired up ??
i like the looks of an irok, isnt the carcass of an sx much heavier duty???
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37x14x17 bias irok 72lbs
38x12.5x15 sx 85lbs
39.5x13.5x17 irok 85lbs
i think the 38.5 is something like 89lbs but dont quote me on that

the sx and irok have pretty much the same carcas except the sx has more side lugs.... you might want to check the ply ratings to make sure though
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ohh yeah and the 39.5 irok measures 39.5"

[lgottler]

Just for the heck of it, cuz I wieghed them last week. My recentered hummer rim and 36" TSL comes in at 119lbs. That rim is about the heaviest rim you could imagine&#33; 3/8" steel center in it&#33;

Carry on....

Lucas

[joe_jeep]

ya the 39.5 irok sounds perfect but might be a little large for my hi pinion d44 front. and i really want a 38. i could live with a 12/38 or 14/38 gotta be a swamper though. i see an 11/38 bogger but i just dont like the look of a bogger, and ive heard of problems with lateral stability on muddy sidehills with boggers. think a 39.5 is too much for a built hi pin d44???? sure like the price of iroks

[95geo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Feb 15 2006, 07&#58;35 AM) 10419</div>

ya the 39.5 irok sounds perfect but might be a little large for my hi pinion d44 front. and i really want a 38. i could live with a 12/38 or 14/38 gotta be a swamper though. i see an 11/38 bogger but i just dont like the look of a bogger, and ive heard of problems with lateral stability on muddy sidehills with boggers. think a 39.5 is too much for a built hi pin d44???? sure like the price of iroks
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a 39.5 irok is too much for a 44, if you want i can make you break your front end with the tires you have.... ask whiterhino

[joe_jeep]

ya i guess its 12/38/15 sx probably, and try to baby it. i havent broken the d30 yet locked with 35&#39;s and stock shafts, i must be doing something right. if i wanted to break a front axle id leave the d30 in there, go 42&#39;s, take out the rear driveshaft, and do some 5000 rpm hole shots lol

[Roadhouse]

On a slight side note.........people have been crying for Interco to make a 40" or 42" SX for along time, but they haven&#39;t. Now I see they now have a 36x12.50x17 wtf. I know there is a need for tires in 17" wheels but a 36" seems they would of made a 38" or 40" for a 17. Not that I need a tire that big, just doesn&#39;t make sense to me, of course neither does physics.

[95geo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Feb 16 2006, 09&#58;07 AM) 10455</div>

i havent broken the d30 yet locked with 35&#39;s and stock shafts, i must be doing something right. if i wanted to break a front axle id leave the d30 in there, go 42&#39;s, take out the rear driveshaft, and do some 5000 rpm hole shots lol
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whiterhino broke 3 44 shafts/ujoints in 2 trips with me, it didnt take holeshots and 42&#39;s.... if you wheel hard you will break your current setup without much of a fight, 38&#39;s and a dana 30 are really risky if you plan to wheel anywhere somewhat remote. things other than the shafts will break and you could be in a bad situation.

as far as interco, i hate that im in their "hole" in tire sizes.... too big or too small or wrong rim size. they dont seem to release what the offroaders want, just what the street scene "might" use

[joe_jeep]

ive been wheelin for a while now, i lived near escanaba in the up for about 5 years and wheled everyday. i know ill break something at some point, thats for sure. but im pretty carefull and light on the gas pedal. so i think 38&#39;s on a d44 i a viable option for me. plus its not a daily driver, and gets trailered to the trail usually. i got friends with 44&#39;s on dana 44&#39;s on a fullsize trucks, thats dumb&#33;. i think a tj with a d44 front and a 9in rear with 38&#39;s isnt too bad. ya ill break a shaft sooner or later, but i bet its later.

[Elusive]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Feb 21 2006, 04&#58;35 AM) 10692</div>

ive been wheelin for a while now, i lived near escanaba in the up for about 5 years and wheled everyday. i know ill break something at some point, thats for sure. but im pretty carefull and light on the gas pedal. so i think 38&#39;s on a d44 i a viable option for me. plus its not a daily driver, and gets trailered to the trail usually. i got friends with 44&#39;s on dana 44&#39;s on a fullsize trucks, thats dumb&#33;. i think a tj with a d44 front and a 9in rear with 38&#39;s isnt too bad. ya ill break a shaft sooner or later, but i bet its later.
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I have to weld the u-joints in on my 44 to keep it alive and that&#39;s in a zuki with 36"sx.......

[95geo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Elusive &#064; Feb 21 2006, 08&#58;59 PM) 10721</div>


I have to weld the u-joints in on my 44 to keep it alive and that&#39;s in a zuki with 36"sx.......
[/b]

ill second that, i would break the tack welds.... i had to fully tig weld them into the shafts before i gave up and went with chromoly

95hp, auto 4:1 and 38&#39;s was too much for the stock shafts, my rears have twisted splines too. its just a matter of time before they let go, and that is on a 3400lb truck

[WhiteRhino]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Elusive &#064; Feb 21 2006, 08&#58;59 PM) 10721</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe_jeep &#064; Feb 21 2006, 04&#58;35 AM) 10692

ive been wheelin for a while now, i lived near escanaba in the up for about 5 years and wheled everyday. i know ill break something at some point, thats for sure. but im pretty carefull and light on the gas pedal. so i think 38&#39;s on a d44 i a viable option for me. plus its not a daily driver, and gets trailered to the trail usually. i got friends with 44&#39;s on dana 44&#39;s on a fullsize trucks, thats dumb&#33;. i think a tj with a d44 front and a 9in rear with 38&#39;s isnt too bad. ya ill break a shaft sooner or later, but i bet its later.
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I have to weld the u-joints in on my 44 to keep it alive and that&#39;s in a zuki with 36"sx.......
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Full circle clips???

[joe_jeep]

ctm&#39;s and chromolly shafts will have to do for a while&#33; no d60&#39;s in my price range. anybody offering just d60 housings stock so i can build my own, and not refinance the house?? i got the hi pinion d44 for free pretty much, and i can buy the parts one at a time to save not dropping the big bucks all at once. but if i could buy just a housing for 600 otr 700&#036; id be interested, cuse i could take a year and buy the rest a little at a time. but im sure thats not possible. looked at cherry auto parts (salvage yard) saw a d60 fronts cheaper than most places.

[95geo]

you can buy a complete 60 for less than 1k all day long, you dont need adynatrac or rock crusher or currie axle unless you like to spend money.... a completely bult up junkyard 60 should run no more than 2k including the axle itself

[Bult4mud]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(95geo &#064; Mar 4 2006, 06&#58;20 AM) 11455</div>

you can buy a complete 60 for less than 1k all day long, you dont need adynatrac or rock crusher or currie axle unless you like to spend money.... a completely bult up junkyard 60 should run no more than 2k including the axle itself
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where can you get a built 60 for a grand??

are we talking a scrap 60 we arenot talking complete ready to go in 60 right??

[95geo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bult4mud &#064; Mar 4 2006, 09&#58;54 AM) 11456</div>



where can you get a built 60 for a grand??

are we talking a scrap 60 we arenot talking complete ready to go in 60 right??
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you can get a complete "runable" front for about a grand (your definition of runable and mine might differ)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-77-1-2...043583476QQrdZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-77-1-2-79-Dana-60-Front-High-Pinion-Complete-Axle_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33731QQitemZ804358 3476QQrdZ1)

you can get a junkyard axle complete for about 700-900 then rebuilding it to your specs for another grand

a front 60 can cost from 1k to 5k its just a matter of what you put into it

[Bult4mud]

Dang bryce are you ever not at the comp hahahah

anyhoo i thought you were talking bolt in ready to go for a Grand i was like ill take 2 hahah

thats why i had to calrify... yeah runable and ready to install are two totally diff things