UFWDA convention & trail ride [Archive] - Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association

Creative Fab

February 12th, 2006, 09:47 AM

taken from the United site:

"2006 Annual Convention!
Mark your calendar! The UFWDA Annual Conference will be held July 12-15, 2006 at Oakridge TN. Activities will include trail rides at Windrock and Tellico. More details will be posted soon".

We want to take a large contingent of GL members and friends to Tennesse for the trail rides at Windrock and then over to Tellico! This is the week of July 12 2006.

Do you want to carravan down with us and enjoy some awsome rocks and scenery? Then camp together?

I have been to a UFWDA trail ride at Parragon in 04 and it was a blast wheeling with folks from all over the US and even New Zeeland, the United international VP is from there!

We will post the dates and departure times as soon as we nail them down!

So take a week off work and join us!

Pat

kb8ymf

February 12th, 2006, 10:14 AM

More info on the Convention, Trail rides actually before AND after.

Windrock on Mon/Tues, Convention Wed-Fri, Tellico on Sat/Sun
I posted this somewhere but can' find it now.

Should get a survey of sorts going to see who's going when...

j-kb8ymf

Creative Fab

February 12th, 2006, 01:48 PM

I knew you posted it but I could not find it either!

Yea, lets start a who is going!

1) Kim & I
2) Jim & Kim
3) Jim & Dianne
4) Rob & Teresa
5) Karl, Michele & the boys
6) Doug & Kathy Saul
7) Tim & Shirley
8)
etc

Zookeeper

February 12th, 2006, 03:00 PM

I would really like to, but it's too soon to be able to commit yet...

WhiteRhino

February 12th, 2006, 06:35 PM

Jim M, you emailed it to Pat and I.

We are in for the first half at Windrock but are not able to commit to the following weekend.

95geo

February 12th, 2006, 09:33 PM

i am going to one of them, i'd prefer tellico but ill probably go where the most people are going

Jarhead

February 13th, 2006, 06:31 AM

I am going to Windrock in April; I am still trying to convince the wife we need to go back in July. I pushing to do both, Windrock and Tellico. I have been to Windrock before; but I have never been to Tellico - so I am like Bryce I would prefer Tellico, but if I only get one chance/event to go, I'll go where most of the people would be going.

Creative Fab

February 13th, 2006, 09:16 AM

I am hitting Windrock on sunday and monday then heading over to Tellico for wed thurs and heading for home.

Ridgerunner

February 16th, 2006, 02:19 PM

Looks like a good possibility for me. We already have a trip planned in cumberland Maryland the week before. trying to extend va-ca to 2 weeks.

rtikql8

February 17th, 2006, 11:23 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ironman @ Feb 12 2006, 10:48 AM) 10170</div>

I knew you posted it but I could not find it either!

Yea, lets start a who is going!

1) Kim & I
2) Jim & Kim
3) Jim & Dianne
4)
5)
6)
etc
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4) Rob and Teresa

We'll probably be on the same schedule as Ironman:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ironman @ Feb 13 2006, 06:16 AM) 10288</div>

I am hitting Windrock on sunday and monday then heading over to Tellico for wed thurs and heading for home.
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Creative Fab

February 18th, 2006, 10:33 PM

Rob, I added you to the list!

I cant wait, this is going to be fun!!!!

Who else?

Ridgerunner

February 19th, 2006, 10:38 AM

I am in for sure now. I have set up my trip to be in tn area for saturday eve, so put me down for the #5 spot. Is there any info yet on where were camping yet? I would like to make reservations if possible.
#5 Karl & Michele & boys

DDS4X4

February 19th, 2006, 10:23 PM

#6 Doug & Kathy

I booked our room last week, but am still waiting on some confirmation info from Southern on the rates.

We have not been to Windrock. We're looking for some "mild" trails because we have to drive the Grand back to Ohio after the United meeting.

timmy_69

February 20th, 2006, 09:06 AM

My wife and I are planning on going. Tim & Shirley. I would love to hook up with you on the ride down. We will probally be getting a condo down there from her sister to stay in. but would love to share in the ride down and back.

WhiteRhino

February 20th, 2006, 10:41 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(timmy @ Feb 20 2006, 09:06 AM) 10634</div>

My wife and I are planning on going. Tim & Shirley. I would love to hook up with you on the ride down. We will probally be getting a condo down there from her sister to stay in. but would love to share in the ride down and back.
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Cool! Another person to help change tires on the trailers! :thumb-up:

Tim, glad you are coming.

Jim

timmy_69

February 20th, 2006, 11:00 AM

what ever it takes to get us there.

timmy_69

February 20th, 2006, 03:16 PM

So what day is everone planning on heading down?

kb8ymf

February 20th, 2006, 03:28 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(timmy @ Feb 20 2006, 03:16 PM) 10655</div>

So what day is everone planning on heading down?
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From the sounds of it, most people are going down Sat to wheel on Mon-Tue @ Windrock, then on to Tellico on Wed-Thur then return home on the weekend. I'll be down to Windrock, then on the UFWDA Convention Wed-Fri, then wheel @ Tellico by myself on Sat. :<(((
Tellico on the weekday is GREAT though, I did it a few years back. Aside from some event happening the weekend after, it shouldn't be to crowded during the week. Have to check the Cherokee NAtional Forest calender to see if anything big is goin on there on that weekend. Usually the boys from Southern, David, and Stefan try to pick a quiet weekend for the folks from UFWDA to be there.
j-kb8ymf

95geo

February 20th, 2006, 03:50 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Feb 20 2006, 03:28 PM) 10656</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(timmy @ Feb 20 2006, 03:16 PM) 10655

So what day is everone planning on heading down?
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From the sounds of it, most people are going down Sat to wheel on Mon-Tue @ Windrock, then on to Tellico on Wed-Thur then return home on the weekend. I'll be down to Windrock, then on the UFWDA Convention Wed-Fri, then wheel @ Tellico by myself on Sat.

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this makes no sence to me.... why would you wheel in the middle of the week, its so much more time to take off work.

maybe ill just hit up tellico on the weekend after

WhiteRhino

February 20th, 2006, 04:33 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(95geo @ Feb 20 2006, 03:50 PM) 10659</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Feb 20 2006, 03:28 PM) 10656

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(timmy @ Feb 20 2006, 03:16 PM) 10655

So what day is everone planning on heading down?
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From the sounds of it, most people are going down Sat to wheel on Mon-Tue @ Windrock, then on to Tellico on Wed-Thur then return home on the weekend. I'll be down to Windrock, then on the UFWDA Convention Wed-Fri, then wheel @ Tellico by myself on Sat.

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this makes no sence to me.... why would you wheel in the middle of the week, its so much more time to take off work.

maybe ill just hit up tellico on the weekend after
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I don't understand your thinking.
Wheel Windrock Monday Tuesday with the convention ride. Then wheel Tellico for the next 2 days. Come home on the weekend.

If you wheel Tellico AFTER the convention on the following weekend, it would require taking off the following monday from work and wheeling in a crowd. I don't have enough vacation time to dedicate 3 days at the convention.

95geo

February 20th, 2006, 07:32 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Feb 20 2006, 04:33 PM) 10660</div>

I don't understand your thinking.
Wheel Windrock Monday Tuesday with the convention ride. Then wheel Tellico for the next 2 days. Come home on the weekend.

If you wheel Tellico AFTER the convention on the following weekend, it would require taking off the following monday from work and wheeling in a crowd. I don't have enough vacation time to dedicate 3 days at the convention.
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im thinking why go to tellico after windrock in the middle of the week, take friday off, wheel tellico head over to windrock with the convention ride then head home by wednesday evening and have a day left over for another run sometime

WhiteRhino

February 20th, 2006, 08:16 PM

Now I follow you. But I was not planning on taking Friday off. I figured Windrock and Tellico would be good. Is there something else on the way home to hit on Friday or Saturday?

rtikql8

February 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM

kb8ymf -
We're thinking about staying and wheeling on Saturday and heading home on Sunday. If so, you won't have to wheel alone. (providing that I don't have anything broke by then.)

Rob

95geo

February 20th, 2006, 09:55 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Feb 20 2006, 08:16 PM) 10664</div>

Is there something else on the way home to hit on Friday or Saturday?
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your that sure you wont be broken after a week of hard wheeling? :haha:

ohio or kentucky?

DDS4X4

February 24th, 2006, 09:33 PM

This is the location of the United Annual meeting.

Doubletree Hotel Oak Ridge
215 South Illinois Avenue, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, United States 37830

Tel: +1-865-481-2468

United Convention July 12-14
Land Use Conference July 15th
Official Rides at Windrock July 10th-11th
Unofficial Rides at Tellico July 15th-16th

Or you can use the Toll Free number 800-222-8799 and ask for Oak Ridge, TN.

Be sure to ask for the United rate.
I believe the special United rate is $79.00.

Here is a link to the hotel http://www.doubletree.com/en/dt/hotels/ind...ctyhocn=ORKDTDT (http://www.doubletree.com/en/dt/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=ORKDTDT)

Hope this helps. If you need more info, try posting on the new United forum. You can find it here http://www.ufwda.org/smf/index.php

See ya on the trails, ----Doug & Kathy

kb8ymf

February 24th, 2006, 10:27 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rtikql8 @ Feb 20 2006, 09:51 PM) 10676</div>

kb8ymf -
We're thinking about staying and wheeling on Saturday and heading home on Sunday. If so, you won't have to wheel alone. (providing that I don't have anything broke by then.)

Rob
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:thumb-up: Thanks Rob

For those of you who camp.....The campground we used a few years back is a about two miles north of the exit for Convention. I'm sure the Southern boys will post the info soon.
j-kb8ymf

timmy_69

February 25th, 2006, 05:34 AM

I know its early but does anyone have any idea were they are staying yet? We were not able to get a condo from her sister. So I was wondering if anybody had made any resverations at a camp ground or anything yet.

Creative Fab

February 25th, 2006, 07:26 PM

We will be camping for sure, just havent checked on nearby campgrounds yet.

I will post what I find soon!

DDS4X4

February 25th, 2006, 10:05 PM

The official United registration info is to be out in a week or two. I think they are going with the Windrock Campground. I'll see if I can confirm that. It has a website.

Ridgerunner

February 26th, 2006, 10:54 AM

We've been resarching campgrounds and found that in the Windrock area there is only one that we found through a link in the Coal Creek OHV area that takes reservations is Helton's RV Campground in Oliver Springs 5 miles from trailhead. They have full hook ups and lots of space for that week. They also have cabins for rent. They're 30 minutes from I 75 at Knoxville.
HELTON'S RV CAMP (http://home.comcast.net/~khelton5221/RV_PARK.HTML)
I'm sure there's others that take reservations but they're hard to find.

We also found in the Tellico Area a campground Crawfords' Camp 15 minutes from Murphy NC.
They're 15 minutes from trialhead and take reservations. They have full hooks ups and sites on a stream and cabins for rent. There's also lake 10 minutes away ran by the TVA that has swimming,boat rental ect .
They're 105 miles from Knoxville. They are set up for OHV groups and have lots of space for that week.
CRAWFORDS CAMP MURPHY NC (http://www.crawfordsattellico.com/)
The next site is the real estate ad from last year before it was sold and has better photos of the campground.
CRAWFORDS CAMP BETTER PHOTOS (http://www.1rg.com/mrg/fsbo/stcr/nc-mountain-off-road-campground-four-wheel-jeep-for-sale-by-owner.htm)

We've never camped in that part of the country before but they're both close to the trailhead/ reservations and towns for supplies.

rtikql8

February 26th, 2006, 07:23 PM

For Tellico, I was planning on staying at the State Line Camping area. It's basicaly right at the trail head. It's first come, first serve, very rustic. Great camping though, right on a quick moving stream (a.k.a. bathing area).

My only concern is the room needed to turn the trailer around though, and it does tend to get pretty busy.

The more I think about, it the place ridgerunner was refering too would be safer bet, especially considering trailer length and turning it around.

timmy_69

February 27th, 2006, 05:45 AM

Hey Rob if you could please let me know which one your going to stay at. The wife and I just talked last night and she isn't going to head down with me. So I will be camping.

kb8ymf

February 27th, 2006, 07:00 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rtikql8 @ Feb 26 2006, 07:23 PM) 11013</div>

For Tellico, I was planning on staying at the State Line Camping area. It's basicaly right at the trail head. It's first come, first serve, very rustic. Great camping though, right on a quick moving stream (a.k.a. bathing area).

My only concern is the room needed to turn the trailer around though, and it does tend to get pretty busy.

The more I think about, it the place ridgerunner was refering too would be safer bet, especially considering trailer length and turning it around.
[/b]

Rob,
The one I stay at is #7 if I remember. It's before Stateline and on the left side right along the river. There is room to turn around 38' footer with trailer. Stateline is up at the entrance. There's also one on the right, Oak Ridge campground or some such..... Getting there on Friday 'ish will suck and most likely no spots will be available. So I highly doubt we'll have much choice. Would have relly liked to done it the way we did it a few years ago. Arrive Sunday afternoon. Wheeled all by ourselves almost for three days.
The only problem with the campground Ridgerunner identified was that it is on the other side of the park. The boys from Southern have always tended to stay on the Tennessee side. There is a larger campground on the Tenn side by Green Cove if I remember correctly, never stayed there though. I'll dig up my Tellico map and see what it shows.
j-kb8ymf

lgottler

March 3rd, 2006, 11:44 PM

Once everyone has a plan, please tell me and I'll come! I think it would be nice to come home on a weekday instead of the weekend. Going down there on a weekend isn't the greatest, but I'll live!

Give me a phone # to call for camping! Is there a cost to any of the runs?? Permits?

Lucas

Ridgerunner

April 11th, 2006, 10:28 PM

WHERE TO CAMP AT TELLICO?

It's been a long time since a post from anyone and I've received some great Nat'l Forest
service maps and a portion is attached.
To sum it up. On the TN side are many Nat'l forest camps which are rustic first come first serve.
Those are listed by number from 39 thru 47 on the second attachment on this post.
The ranger at Tellico told me that the camps are small and having a large rig could be a problem
except for Mc Nabb Creek Group Camp which is # 40 on the map. Don't know how far from the
trailhead this is but reservations can be made through reserve usa and it's available July 9th
for the whole week and beyond. However, we must have a minimum of 10 campers at the site.
The fee is only $30.00 total per day. It's rustic with pit toilets and hand pump well, no elec. One
of the ranger's told me it gets allot of use.
On the NC side there is one Nat'l forest camp Hang Dog which is also like the TN camps.
There is also a new private campground outside of Murphy, NC 10 minutes from trailhead
called Crawford's camp. They take reservations, can accomodate large rigs, full hook up,
or rustic, camping cabins, showers, laundry, gas, ice, group pavillion. All sites are on the
river. Check out their web site: www.crawfordsattellico.com
I talked with Danny there today about the week of July 8th thru 15th and he told me they've
got sites and cabins and recommended we make reservations soon.

As far a drive time is concerned, I talked with a ranger out of Cleveland, TN and he told
me that route 64 off I 75 through Ocoee is a great road and is only about 20-30 minutes
farther than staying on the TN side. Basic mileage is Knoville to Murphy 140 miles.

We're all driving a long way to get to this area and if we want to camp together it may be
a good idea to have reservations. I like Crawford's because of the conveniences
it offers especially the gas and ice. What do you guys think?

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Jarhead

April 12th, 2006, 06:06 AM

It looks like Ridgerunner has help take of camping issues at Tellico, so here is a Website for Windrock OHV Website:
http://www.coalcreekohv.com/

Plus Area Campgrounds:

Cross-Eyed Cricket 865-986–5435

Four Seasons Campgrounds 865-376-4568 (closest full service facility to GP, 9 miles from GP, 15 to Mtn)

Fox Inn Campground 865-494-9386

Helton's RV Park & Campground website:
http://home.comcast.net/~khelton5221/RV_PARK.HTML

Jellystone Park Campground 865-938–6600

Melton Hill Dam Campgrounds 865 - 988-2440 (not a full service facility)

Mountain Lake Campground 865 - 426 - 6510

Windrock Campground website:
http://www.windrockcampground.com/

Creative Fab

April 12th, 2006, 09:11 AM

I vote for Crawfords camp! for Tellico
What days are we looking at being at Tellico?

And Fourseasons camp for Windrock sounds like a good one!

Pat

Ridgerunner

April 12th, 2006, 12:48 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ironman @ Apr 12 2006, 09:11 AM) 13080</div>

I vote for Crawfords camp! for Tellico
What days are we looking at being at Tellico?

And Fourseasons camp for Windrock sounds like a good one!

Pat
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I would guess that the Idea still holds for wheelin windrock sun & mon. travel to tellico on Tues. wheel tellico wed & thurs. I think that was still the consensis fom the meeting on sunday.

WhiteRhino

April 12th, 2006, 02:00 PM

I think we just need someone to reserve some sites soon!

Ridgerunner

April 12th, 2006, 05:22 PM

I agree Jim, I could call back danny at crawfords and ask him to hold some sites, like maybee 10 or 12 so if more people decide to go on the trip, there would be enough reserved. he's not asking for any money down right now only if we have some cancelations to let him know a week or two ahead of time. as for the windrock area I havent had a chance to check out any of the ones Jarhead listed,except for Heltons RV park wich I called a couple months ago. seemed like a nice place and would take reservations. Lets get it nailed down. Its going to be a blast!

kb8ymf

April 18th, 2006, 04:11 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ridgerunner @ Apr 12 2006, 05:22 PM) 13109</div>

I agree Jim, I could call back danny at crawfords and ask him to hold some sites, like maybee 10 or 12 so if more people decide to go on the trip, there would be enough reserved. he's not asking for any money down right now only if we have some cancelations to let him know a week or two ahead of time. as for the windrock area I havent had a chance to check out any of the ones Jarhead listed,except for Heltons RV park wich I called a couple months ago. seemed like a nice place and would take reservations. Lets get it nailed down. Its going to be a blast!
[/b]

So is it Crawfords for Tellico?
What about Windrock before the Convention??? You have these three, look at the websites I pasted and let's get some feedback.

Windrock: No reservations taken First Come First Serve...3 sites only 5 are pull thru. cost 28-32 per day 2 adults. add adults 3.00 per night
Personal comments, appears to be relatively open field, has shower and dump station. only a few miles from Windrock OHV area.
http://www.windrockcampground.com/

Helton:Resevations taken, 25 sites, 36.50 per night add adult 10.00 per night, restriction on dogs, no guard dogs, no outside dogs that create disturbances,
Personal comments, also appears to be relative open field not many trees. 5 or so miles from OHV, most expensive.
http://home.comcast.net/~khelton5221/RV_PARK.HTML

Cross Eyed Crickett: 47 campsites First Come first Serve,swimming pool, hot tub, Appears to have group camping available but would need to inquire more if group interested, pull thru sites 25.00 back in sites 23.00.
Personal comments: one of the nicest campgrounds I've seen in a quite a while. only drawback is distance to convention and Windrock. About 30 miles but is the one Southern 4WD Assn recommends.
http://www.crosseyedcricket.com/Default.htm

My vote is going to be Cross Eyed Cricket
Any other thoughts?

lgottler

April 18th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Looks like I'm out. Decided I want to get my garage done more than doing a trail run down there....

Have fun!!

Lucas

JohnnyJ

April 18th, 2006, 10:23 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rtikql8 @ Feb 26 2006, 08:23 PM) 11013</div>

For Tellico, I was planning on staying at the State Line Camping area. It's basicaly right at the trail head. It's first come, first serve, very rustic. Great camping though, right on a quick moving stream (a.k.a. bathing area).

My only concern is the room needed to turn the trailer around though, and it does tend to get pretty busy.

The more I think about, it the place ridgerunner was refering too would be safer bet, especially considering trailer length and turning it around.
[/b]

Rob, the camp sites right at the border we stayed at when you, Jim, Mike, and I went down a few years ago are gone. They made a better bathroom out of those 4 sites, and they try to keep people from parking there besides use of the bathroom. Kevin was able to turn his double hauler around in that area last summer.

There are still a lot of sites further up the road on the other side of the creek, that was the only big difference I noticed.

kb8ymf

April 18th, 2006, 10:51 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyJ @ Apr 18 2006, 09:23 PM) 13307</div>

There are still a lot of sites further up the road on the other side of the creek, that was the only big difference I noticed.
[/b]
Isn't that Oak Ridge or something?
The reason they probably got rid of those site is they were 'no charge' sites
j-kb8ymf

rtikql8

April 18th, 2006, 10:58 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyJ @ Apr 18 2006, 10:23 PM) 13307</div>

Rob, the camp sites right at the border we stayed at when you, Jim, Mike, and I went down a few years ago are gone. They made a better bathroom out of those 4 sites, and they try to keep people from parking there besides use of the bathroom. Kevin was able to turn his double hauler around in that area last summer.

There are still a lot of sites further up the road on the other side of the creek, that was the only big difference I noticed. [/b]

Yeah, kb8ymf was saying the sites down the road have plenty of room. I thought Jim (MSG) had trouble turning around but now that I you mention it, I think it may have been because of everyone else parking right there. That's a bummer that those sites at state line are gone, those were great.

I'd really prefer not to drive to far to get to the trail head.

JohnnyJ, do you remember if that was Crawford Camp that we stayed at the year I rode with you? That seemed like a long drive to get to the trail.

JohnnyJ

April 18th, 2006, 11:15 PM

From my understanding, they are all part of the Stateline campground between the back road to trail 2 and the state line, but I don't know for certain. Both times I've camped there, that's where I stayed.

That section isn't free, but not expensive. You put money in an envelope and drop it in the safe, and display the tear off receipt on the site so the rangers can verify that you paid. It was something like $7/night.

A few friends had stayed in the park (a few years ago) between Stateline and the water crossing on trail 5, but its my understanding that a lot of those areas have been made inaccessable, although I've still seen people camping on the edge of the water at the crossing on 5. But not in between like they used to. Those areas were "free" besides paying to wheel in the park.

Paying to get in the park is like camping, you put money in the envelope at pay stations at either entrance, keep the receipt and drop the money in the safe. I believe that was $5/day last year. You can also go into Murphy and get a season's pass for about $25 or $30, which we did one year since we had to stop in Murphy to hit up the Walmart for some last minute supplies.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rtikql8 @ Apr 18 2006, 10:58 PM) 13309</div>

JohnnyJ, do you remember if that was Crawford Camp that we stayed at the year I rode with you? That seemed like a long drive to get to the trail.
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No, those "cabins" were just outside of Murphy (trailers with wood siding.. hahaha). I forget the name of the place, but I remember enjoying sleeping in the AC, taking showers, and having a fridge to store beer in; but the drive did suck.

Crawford's Camp is on the way to Murphy, but you make a different turn pretty early on, not long after exiting trail 1. Take a look at the map in the link below, I think the cabins we stayed at were off of 19 on the bottom left of the map.

http://www.crawfordsattellico.com/page4.html

Ridgerunner

April 19th, 2006, 12:09 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ironman @ Apr 12 2006, 09:11 AM) 13080</div>

And Fourseasons camp for Windrock sounds like a good one!

Pat
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I checked with 4 seasons today and they have alot of openings as of today. He has 6 sites left that are pull through but most others also have 30 amp hookups. he said his camp is about 20 miles from windrock. seems like he has alot to offer. 40 sites in the park and takes reservations

as for Cross eyed Cricket campground, I read in there rules about a NO ALCOHOL alowed policy. Looks like a nice campground though.

I vote for four seasons,

WhiteRhino

April 19th, 2006, 09:43 PM

So what are we going to do?

kb8ymf

April 20th, 2006, 09:15 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Apr 19 2006, 08:43 PM) 13377</div>

So what are we going to do?
[/b]
I guess I vote for Four Seasons if that's where the group is staying. It's 18.6 miles to Convention for me later in the week however is is 25+ to Windrock so trailering will be in order for some. They say that Windrock has really narrow bridge so trying to M/H in is out for Pat and Jim K with their 'mobile homes' might be tight. What are the rates? Any idea what the place looks like???? Are we camping in a field or is there some shade? What is the arrival date for everyone? We're coming from Zooki-Melt @ the Badlands on the 9th Sunday staying till Friday or so.
jim-kb8ymf

WhiteRhino

April 20th, 2006, 09:29 PM

My plan is to arrive at Four Seasons Sunday afternoon, wheel Windrock Monday and Tuesday. Pull out Wednesday morning to head to Tellico.

Karl, was this your plan? Are you making reservations for Tellico? If so, are you making them for how many people?

Jim

95geo

April 21st, 2006, 07:47 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Apr 20 2006, 09:29 PM) 13422</div>

My plan is to arrive at Four Seasons Sunday afternoon, wheel Windrock Monday and Tuesday. Pull out Wednesday morning to head to Tellico.

[/b]

i think im going to hit zukimelt thursday, friday and saturday then head to windrock, wheel monday and tuesday then head back for work on thursday..... i dont have much vacation time left and it has to last the rest of the year so i guess tellico will have to wait til another time

WhiteRhino

April 21st, 2006, 08:40 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(95geo @ Apr 21 2006, 07:47 AM) 13434</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Apr 20 2006, 09:29 PM) 13422

My plan is to arrive at Four Seasons Sunday afternoon, wheel Windrock Monday and Tuesday. Pull out Wednesday morning to head to Tellico.

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i think im going to hit zukimelt thursday, friday and saturday then head to windrock, wheel monday and tuesday then head back for work on thursday..... i dont have much vacation time left and it has to last the rest of the year so i guess tellico will have to wait til another time
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Tell you what: You can take the Rhino home with you. I will wheel the Geo and let you know how it works! :thumb-up: :thumb-up:

Ridgerunner

April 25th, 2006, 07:07 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Apr 20 2006, 09:29 PM) 13422</div>

My plan is to arrive at Four Seasons Sunday afternoon, wheel Windrock Monday and Tuesday. Pull out Wednesday morning to head to Tellico.

Karl, was this your plan? Are you making reservations for Tellico? If so, are you making them for how many people?

Jim
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My dates are the same as yours. I made reservations at Crawford's camp in Murphy, NC for 5 sites which includes myself and they all have full hook ups and are all along the creek and are very large. Arrive Wednesday 7 12 and depart Saturday 7 15.
They also have a variety of cabins available.Remember this county doesn't sell beer but only wine and liquor but you can drink anything there. So, we'll have to bring it with us from TN.
Going to Tellico: Karl, Michele and kids, Jim and Diane, Pat and Kim, Rob and Theresa and Tim and Shirley.
Crawford's have more sites available, and if more people want to go just let me know and I'll add more sites.

Also, I was curious about Four Seasons and tried to find a web page and couldn't but came up with a quote from a campground review site and found the following comment:

All Ratings (1=poor 10=excellent): 1
Campers comments:

Very unfriendly and not helpful. Muddy sites and very tight. Lots of permanent. Very close to interstate. Avoid! We camped here in a Motorhome in 2004.

That sounds pretty discouraging having only a 1 rating - other camps they rated were at least a 4 or greater at the worst. So I looked into the Trailer life directory and they were listed but were not rated and had a temporary listing. They're listed int the Woodalls with an average site width of 20' also intially told me pull throughs were available and then changed his mind. I was pretty discouraged! I know that I voted for this location a few posts before but I'm having second thoughts and started to research alternatives.

JarHead had listed a few campgrounds and I found that Mountain Lake Marina and Campground in Lake City, TN had a great web site with lot's of info and photos. The Trailer Life Directory 2006 rates them at 7.5/7.5/7.5 which is on the high side for that directory.
They're 4.5 miles East off of I 75 just north of Knoxville and 18 miles from Oliver Springs per Mapquest. They're on Norris Lake and have a motel and cabins, large shaded sites with a pool, laundry, store, restraurant on property, shore fishing and boat rental, a regular full service resort. I called them and they told me their sites are on average 25' to 30' wide and anywhere from 50' to 75' deep with 50 amp and full hook up at $25.00 a night.
I called them and they had 7 sites very close to each other and knowing time is getting tight I booked 7 sites for everyone. Sites 87, 126 thru 129, 131, 132. Mountain Lake Camp seems like a vast improvement over Four Seasons and I don't want to seem presumptuous. I know we're all booked at Four Seasons already but merely presenting this other option. I've been skunked before on site un seen situations and don't want that to happen on a trip that's so far from home. What do you guys think?
MOUNTAIN LAKE MARINA AND CAMPGROUND (http://www.mountainlaketennessee.com)

kb8ymf

April 25th, 2006, 09:59 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ridgerunner @ Apr 25 2006, 07:07 AM) 13518</div>

Also, I was curious about Four Seasons and tried to find a web page and couldn't
I called them and they had 7 sites very close to each other and knowing time is getting tight I booked 7 sites for everyone. Sites 87, 126 thru 129, 131, 132. Mountain Lake Camp seems like a vast improvement over Four Seasons and I don't want to seem presumptuous. I know we're all booked at Four Seasons already but merely presenting this other option. I've been skunked before on site un seen situations and don't want that to happen on a trip that's so far from home. What do you guys think?
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As well, I booked the Four Season Campground and was a bit concerned after not finding any website. This also concerns me that far from home. I'm all for moving it to a 'recognized campground' that we can all feel more comfortable with. So you have 7 sites, Who was on your list? I need my campsite till Friday as I am staying for Convention and NOT going to Tellico :cry-river:
As a FYI mileage from Campground to Windrock ~ 20 miles backroads 40-45 minutes my estimation, Convention ~20 miles also but not as many backroads. About the same as Four Seasons.
If we're all onboard, I call and cancel my reservations.
jim-kb8ymf

WhiteRhino

April 25th, 2006, 03:07 PM

Change'em!

I am 53' front to back and full 8' width. I won't be able to get in a tight spot.

Jim and Karl, thanks for all your efforts.

kb8ymf

April 25th, 2006, 03:34 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Apr 25 2006, 03:07 PM) 13531</div>

Change'em!

I am 53' front to back and full 8' width. I won't be able to get in a tight spot.

Jim and Karl, thanks for all your efforts.
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Cancelled @ F.S.

Just need to see the list of names for the 7 spots Karl has reserved.
Who did I miss?

1. Karl, Michele and kids
2. Jim and Diane
3. Pat and Kim
4. Rob and Theresa
5. Tim and Shirley
6. Jim & Kim & Bryce
7. Johnny J &

Ridgerunner

April 25th, 2006, 04:38 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Apr 25 2006, 03:34 PM) 13532</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Apr 25 2006, 03:07 PM) 13531

Change'em!

I am 53' front to back and full 8' width. I won't be able to get in a tight spot.

Jim and Karl, thanks for all your efforts.
[/b]

Cancelled @ F.S.

Just need to see the list of names for the 7 spots Karl has reserved.
Who did I miss?

1. Karl, Michele and kids
2. Jim and Diane
3. Pat and Kim
4. Rob and Theresa
5. Tim and Shirley
6. Jim & Kim & Bryce
7. Johnny J &
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Jim, I already booked a one site for you from Sun through Sat noon. I had thought Bryce was going to have his own site but if he's sharing we only need 7 and Johnny J will be the seventh. However, they have more sites available and anyone can add at anytime.
I put the reservations under my name Karl Mosher and paid for one night for each site and then everyone can pay the remainder as they arrive. You can settle up with me at the park. Check in and out time is noon.

As far as space goes, they told me that each site is 25' to 30' wide and 50' to 75'. If length of rig is an issue we can park the trailers in their boat trailer parking lot. Looks like a great place!

Creative Fab

April 25th, 2006, 09:42 PM

Thanks Jim and Karl for putting forth this much effort on our behalf!

Really looking forward to going!

WhiteRhino

April 26th, 2006, 06:44 AM

Hey John, glad you are joining us.

We haven't wheeled together since you made me break in Kentucky. :thumb-up:

Ridgerunner

June 17th, 2006, 01:19 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Apr 25 2006, 03:34 PM) 13532</div>

Just need to see the list of names for the 7 spots Karl has reserved.
Who did I miss?

1. Karl, Michele and kids
2. Jim and Diane
3. Pat and Kim
4. Rob and Theresa
5. Tim and Shirley
6. Jim & Kim & Bryce
7. Johnny J &
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Just wanted to bring this back to the top and see If anyone else is going to join us?
Has anyone on the list changed their plans about going?

Iwould like to give the folks I made reservations with some notice if anyone has changed their minds I'm think It would be good to finalize this by June 24. It's gonna be a great time!

Creative Fab

June 17th, 2006, 01:53 PM

We'll be there one way or the other!

WhiteRhino

June 18th, 2006, 09:14 PM

Our plans are still a go! See you all there.

kb8ymf

June 19th, 2006, 07:16 AM

Still going.............just not sure which truck at the moment!
J-kb8ymf

rtikql8

June 19th, 2006, 05:06 PM

I may have to skip Winrock and meet up with everyone at Tellico.
Numerous reasons why, hopefully I won't have to cancel completely.

DDS4X4

June 22nd, 2006, 06:11 PM

I still plan to be there. I have a room booked at the hotel for the meeting. I still need to work out the before and after details. Guess we'll get that done in the next couple of weeks. Oh yea, I still need to register for the meeting too.

kb8ymf

June 24th, 2006, 07:15 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Apr 25 2006, 03:34 PM) 13532</div>

Just need to see the list of names for the 7 spots Karl has reserved.
Who did I miss?

1. Karl, Michele and kids
2. Jim and Diane
3. Pat and Kim
4. Rob and Theresa
5. Tim and Shirley
6. Jim & Kim & Bryce
7. Johnny J &
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So Karl, do we have an open spot cause Rob isn't going to make it to Windrock? If so I have a replacement. Friends of mine from Wisconsin Rob and Luana Schneider. Luana is the Organizer of the humongous March of Dimes trail ride over there and she's was also the UFWDA Voice Editor for years. Their looking for a place to camp with some friends.
jim

Ridgerunner

June 24th, 2006, 12:23 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Jun 24 2006, 07:15 AM) 15163</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kb8ymf @ Apr 25 2006, 03:34 PM) 13532

Just need to see the list of names for the 7 spots Karl has reserved.
Who did I miss?

1. Karl, Michele and kids
2. Jim and Diane
3. Pat and Kim
4. Rob and Theresa
5. Tim and Shirley
6. Jim & Kim & Bryce
7. Johnny J &
[/b]

So Karl, do we have an open spot cause Rob isn't going to make it to Windrock? If so I have a replacement. Friends of mine from Wisconsin Rob and Luana Schneider. Luana is the Organizer of the humongous March of Dimes trail ride over there and she's was also the UFWDA Voice Editor for years. Their looking for a place to camp with some friends.
jim
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I would think so based on Robs thoughts a few days ago. you might want to check with mountain view resort on space for the rest of the week wed. to fri. cause I only booked the one site for you for the week.

Trail_Fanatic

June 25th, 2006, 02:45 PM

Well, it (unexpectedly) looks like I'm going to be at the Convention and Land Use but not the trail rides. I've never been to one. Will we get a chance to 'bump' into each other?

WhiteRhino

June 25th, 2006, 09:38 PM

I got a pm from Johnny J. His jeep is still down and out so it looks like he is not coming.

Pat, I think that you will see Jim M. at the convention but not the rest of us. We will be running Tellico.

95geo

June 26th, 2006, 07:26 PM

im not going to make it, im running out of vacation days at work.

DDS4X4

July 3rd, 2006, 09:11 AM

So when are all leaving?
Looks like I'm solo for this trip.
Any places left where you're camping, I'll probably just sleep in the back of the WJ.
I'll save the hotel room for the United meeting dates.

Thanks, ---Doug

Creative Fab

July 3rd, 2006, 10:24 AM

I know at least JK and us will be leaving Fri. late afternoon. I cant speak for the rest.

Ridgerunner

July 3rd, 2006, 12:17 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DDS4X4 @ Jul 3 2006, 09:11 AM) 15366</div>

So when are all leaving?
Looks like I'm solo for this trip.
Any places left where you're camping, I'll probably just sleep in the back of the WJ.
I'll save the hotel room for the United meeting dates.

Thanks, ---Doug
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I'm leaving on sat morning and there is 3 open sites at mountainview resort as of right now through 7-12. Doug, you should call them to see if they have space the rest of the week if your planning on staying there for the convention.

kb8ymf

July 4th, 2006, 02:57 AM

We're coming from ZookiMelt @ the Badlands on Saturday night or Sunday morning. Could be a long day coming on Sunday.
J-kb8ymf

P.S. Some of the UFWDA folks who M.H. it are concerned about the distance to the Convention and have elected to 'wing it'. I'm playing it by ear at this time. 30-40 miles back and forth for three days on a brand new set of gears is NOT a good thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Trail_Fanatic @ Jun 25 2006, 02:45 PM) 15195</div>

Well, it (unexpectedly) looks like I'm going to be at the Convention and Land Use but not the trail rides. I've never been to one. Will we get a chance to 'bump' into each other?
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Pat,
I will be at Convention obviously but the Land Use conference may get cut short for me. Kim and I will be heading over to Jellico to watch the We-Rock competition that was scheduled to be in conjunction with Convention this year.
At this time I'm not sure where we'll be staying for Convention. In every other Convention we park the Motorhome in the motel parking lot and no one has EVER said a thing. This year their getting snooty about it. Willbe on my cell if you need to get a hold of me. When are you arriving?
j=kb8ymf

DDS4X4

July 5th, 2006, 08:41 AM

Thanks Ridgerunner, I'll call and see what they have for Sat-Mon.
Is this the place Jarhead had mentioned in his earlier post near Lake City?
Is that where the GL group will be staying for the pre-convention Windrock trail rides?
I'm staying at the DoubleTree Hotel for the United meeting.

Ridgerunner

July 6th, 2006, 09:09 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DDS4X4 @ Jul 5 2006, 08:41 AM) 15391</div>

Thanks Ridgerunner, I'll call and see what they have for Sat-Mon.
Is this the place Jarhead had mentioned in his earlier post near Lake City?
Is that where the GL group will be staying for the pre-convention Windrock trail rides?
I'm staying at the DoubleTree Hotel for the United meeting.
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Yes, the web site is www.mountainlaketennessee.com 1877 mtn-camp

kb8ymf

July 7th, 2006, 11:49 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DDS4X4 @ Jun 22 2006, 06:11 PM) 15125</div>

I still plan to be there. I have a room booked at the hotel for the meeting. I still need to work out the before and after details. Guess we'll get that done in the next couple of weeks. Oh yea, I still need to register for the meeting too.
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Doug, I may 'drop' your name if they give me any grief parking in the lot for Convenetion.
See you @ Windrock
jim-kb8ymf

WhiteRhino

July 17th, 2006, 08:32 AM

Well, we did the United ride at Windrock on Monday and Tuesday. The short report in my opinion is that unless you have a BIG TIME rock crawler, don't waste your time at Windrock. They have a bunch of stock run type trails that are long and dusty. For an open vehicle in 90 + degrees, a dusty trail is no fun. The challenge areas are a long way from anything so to get there you have a lot of slow riding. There is a monster hill rock climb they call Rattlerock that would be good for entertainment.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad we checked the place out. But for the drive time, the extra 3 hours to Tellico are worth it.

Jarhead

July 17th, 2006, 11:41 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WhiteRhino @ Jul 17 2006, 08:32 AM) 15763</div>

Well, we did the United ride at Windrock on Monday and Tuesday. The short report in my opinion is that unless you have a BIG TIME rock crawler, don't waste your time at Windrock. They have a bunch of stock run type trails that are long and dusty. For an open vehicle in 90 + degrees, a dusty trail is no fun. The challenge areas are a long way from anything so to get there you have a lot of slow riding. There is a monster hill rock climb they call Rattlerock that would be good for entertainment.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad we checked the place out. But for the drive time, the extra 3 hours to Tellico are worth it.
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Did you run trails 3, 16, 23 or 39?

To enjoy Windrock in everything it has to offer, you need to go before the middle of April. When the Mountain starts to dry out, the adventure has a tendency to go with it. I have been there twice (March and early April) Awesome Time! Went again in May and there wasn’t anything very challenging because everything was dry. Trail 23 and 39 were fun each time.

kb8ymf

July 17th, 2006, 12:30 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jarhead @ Jul 17 2006, 11:41 AM) 15775</div>

Did you run trails 3, 16, 23 or 39?
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Did 16...boring, 22/23 fun rock creek crossing, and 39. 39 was the most fun. Jim and I both walked right up without much fanfare. Last 500 feet of trail was the only challenge, but as Jim said.....A/C and closed windows were the order of the day. They mentioned a creek run up to a waterfall but made no offering to take us there. We had different trail guides each day (Both of whom were on 49" IROKS and Rockwell axles.) who we apparently had to 'prove' our ability to. As it is, Kinnes and Mosers stayed home the second day. Doug S went and I twisted Jim K's arm to come along and he did just cause he didn't want to hear me tell him what he missed if he stayed home. In my opinion Windrock for $15 a day PER person is pretty pricey and I'm suprised they get that for the offerings they have. Tellico @ $5 is WAY more worth it.
jim-kb8ymf

DDS4X4

July 18th, 2006, 06:01 AM

Tuesday, I had planned to ride shotgun with Jim K, however, once at Windrock I picked up a couple of hitchhikers from Montana. Jim Anderson, the United Voice Editor and friend we're looking to take some pics on the trails.

A group of 3 of us split off from the others, so they could run #39 (an EXTREME trail) and we wouldn't limit their experience, due to us being more stock than built! We were to meet back up with them at the conclusion of our trail. We checked the map we had purchased at the registration shack and picked trail #3 which was listed on the map as a MODERATE trail and was in the same area as #39.

So off we went, my Grand now sporting a newly installed 2.5" lift by Kevin from Jeeperz Creeperz, a similarly equipped S-10 Blazer from Maryland and Chris Boucher (the mate to United's attorney, Carla Boucher) from Virginia in their mildly equipped CJ. The start of trail #3 is easy graded gravel road, after we cleared all the active gas/oil wells, the maintained service road ended and the trail took on more typical characteristics. However as we proceeded, the Moderate trail seemed to disappear into the rocks and climbs. At one point we stopped some ATVs to discuss what trail they were on, #3 they said but this was their first time and they didn't know how it was ahead or how far to the end of the trail.

We were committed and proceeded on UP the trail, expecting it to end around each bend or past each boulder we managed to get over or around. We tugged the S-10 up over a couple of rock ledges that he couldn't quite make with his open front diff. We did find the end of #3 and it was at the top of the final climb up from our last creek crossing. We met the Trail Leader and the rest of the group (including Jim M and Jim K) just climbing out of #39. I asked the Trail Leader (driving a TJ with Rockwells and 49s) if #3 was a MODERATE trail (maybe for him), it seems the NEW map contains a few errors and trail #3 is supposed to be rated EXTREME!

So lesson learned, don't always rely on maps, don't always rely on the locals when they are way BIGGER than you, and always wheel with friends and if possible, consult those who have BEEN THERE DONE THAT .... I should have asked Bob what trail #3 was like in is Hummer! If I had only known!

Oh well, the mild lift made all the difference ... Thanks Jeeperz Creeperz!